T=0 and a Zero Energy Universe

When you can change this to " . scientist are happy to accept . " you might have an argument.Edited by lyx2no, : Add signature.

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KindlyA mind changed against its will is of the same opinion still.

I do not believe you do not believe it; so now do you believe it? I hope that helps.

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KindlyA mind changed against its will is of the same opinion still.

Hello nchunz Then you can tell your friends there is no T=0. You have T=∅, and T>0 to choose from. Your creationist friends can, of course, put God anywhere they want to. (And I do believe that's the proper order of things.) I'd myself want to first establish God's existence before considering His details. But, hey, if one doesn't sweat the first step, why sweat the second? Though I'd also not find a God of the Gaps argument very satisfying regardless. Not according to the Big Bang: that introduces the Universe at T=10^-43, and says nothing at all for the time leading up to that. The theory just can't deal with it one way or the other. Everyone is missing this bit of something. The truth be told, your English is better them most of the native English writers I know. (Not considering my peers.)AbE: Hello, Rahvin, other ship passing in the night.Edited by lyx2no, : Bein' sociable.Edited by lyx2no, : Style.Edited by lyx2no, : Rahvin's capitalized.Edited by lyx2no, : Correct 47

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Genesis 2
17 But of the ponderosa pine, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou shinniest thereof thou shalt sorely learn of thy nakedness.
18 And we all live happily ever after.

Yes, it should have been. I have hidden my original response because I just now realized how damaging it may be to my credibility. With this apology and promise that in the future I will not intentionally introduce errors into my post because it humors some joke of my own I hope to mitigate my error in judgement some what. I would like to be taken seriously and earn the right to sit at this table with you folks.

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My misstep resulted from not knowing how to respond to cavediver's splendid one-upping. I had used "then" rather than "than" intentionally, but couldn't respond that way without looking like I was being defensive of a simple error, but I was simultaneously defensive of it being thought I'd made an error. (Cavediver, if you did that knowingly, you're my daddy.)

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I'm sure I'll make further errors, but from this point out they will be unintentional.Edited by lyx2no, : Hide.Edited by lyx2no, : Formating

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Genesis 2
17 But of the ponderosa pine, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou shinniest thereof thou shalt sorely learn of thy nakedness.
18 And we all live happily ever after.

Yeah, your friends are just pulling phrases out of the new age mumbo-jumbo bag that, because the phrases don't really mean anything, can't be effectively argued against unless you and they are both willing to get into the nitty-gritty of solidly defining the meaning for every word and combination of words precisely. That would reduce their argument to so much piffle but, also, their willingness to ever talk to you again.I once heard philosophy defined as the art of breaking ones argument into parts so fine that any error will be too small to detect, then reassembling it to reach ones conclusion upon "flawless" foundations. Your friends don't seem to have to go too far to get to the "too small to detect" errors. Probably because they're looking the other way. Generally, a singularity is a point in a function that is not defined. Such as f_(x)=1/x, when x=0. There are many reasons that a function may fail at some point. This particular one fails because x0=0. This implies that x=0/0, which clearly makes no sense. The math breaks down at that one point giving a nonsense answer.I couldn't begin to tell you why the maths for the Big Bang work yet alone why they fail. You'll have to catch cavediver for that.

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Genesis 2
17 But of the ponderosa pine, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou shinniest thereof thou shalt sorely learn of thy nakedness.
18 And we all live happily ever after.