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Author Topic:   T=0 and a Zero Energy Universe
tesla
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Message 45 of 64 (471007)
06-13-2008 11:46 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Straggler
05-18-2008 9:20 AM


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although I'm probably infamous for my unique perspective concerning this issue, i am glad for once a topic that explores the potentials of what t=0 is or is not.
simply stated, T=0 is a coordinate in space time when there is nothing measurable by today's science. and whatever existed at this coordinate is singular, with no outside variables. some want to say it is 0 energy. but this of course is impossible, because without something, nothing could be.
i implore you to hear me out. and consider what i say.
evolution (change) is evident. somthing before what is now, also evident. these are facts. t=0 is the conclusion of the question : before that?
as long as 2 things are, before that is a relevant question. so only until there is only the one, unchanged existing, there could not be a universe. if there was no evolution and all was, as always was, there would be no before that. no evolution, no big bang of any form. for then reasonably, could we say: all was and is. all evidence is contrary.
science cannot measure energy until it is active. potential energy is potential, or inactive potential force from some "thing". at t=0, this is what you have. a "thing" (noun)with no 2 points to measure. but it is and was there at T=0, because if it wasn't, nothing would be.
t=0 is inevitable by all observation and all data. no model can exist without it. the problem is, when science hits this magnificent roadblock in the ability to measure or calculate, it throws out all reason and ignores assumed reality. assumed reality is one of the most important foundations that ground science to make it science.
so with reason, based on observation, is the only way to explore what t=0 is telling us.
a: t=0 is inevitable.
b: so what does a timeless state of all energy mean, when the energy has no outside force or environment to interact with, and apparently is only potential energy, since it has no area to measure?
it means all energy of the universe in a single wholeness, as one, with no heat, no cold, no thing to measure, BUT, something that IS.
so, biggest question people cannot grasp: where did all the big huge planets and billions of stars and stuff that were the size of a PEA go?
here's a brain feeder: the universe by all data is expanding. but what is it expanding IN?
there is a big bang model that is almost identical to the current that not only explains this question, but also has explanations for black holes.
however, just ask ICANT to tell you what that is, or Percy, as I've written it in previos topics. if your interested.
so at T=0 all the energy that exists in the entire universe was in a singular immeasurable state. : fact. this is why science just closes its eyes on anything more about it.
but there is more to be said about it. if all the energy of the world existed in a singular immeasurable state, as it did by all modern science observation and calculation, then it was and is the start of all we can see, and cannot see, of our entire universe. no outside interactions. and it evolved. to what is now.
so how does something , with nothing else to react with, no environment, no other energy, become all that is?
chance. or direction. period. thats the answer. and the question concerning t=0.
if you want to argue t=0 is not, you have to prove the universe hasn't evolved.
since we know it has, then t=0 is inevitable.
t=0 is singular state of the universe. and it evolved, which could only be by a: chance happenings. or b: direction.
direction means intelligence. chance means random interactions.
so if there is nothing but a singular (potential) energy (thing)with nothing else to interact with that evolved itself, chance is impossible (nothing to interact with, so its a self evolution, only possible if directed by itself)
so by definite observation by possibilities, all observation and measuring conclude: God.
t=0 is God as God first was. only God was. and from himself came all that is.
surprise. your just a cell in his body.
it will be awhile before i can get back to the PC..lost my home connection. but as time (and gas) allows, ill try to reply to any debate.
if you dont agree with me, thats fine. show me an alternative that isn't ridiculous science fiction dreamed out of nowhere. we know trees have intelligence because they communicate via chemicals to each other to ward off pests and desease. if you can understand that, then understand the fact that the energy that sustains even the very atoms, and all of the cosmos is also intelligent. just superior to man, unlike a tree which is inferior. so i dont understand why God is so hard for people to accept. especially since all science if scrutinized, only shows that God IS.
Edited by tesla, : changed some sentence structure.

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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