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Huntard
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Message 49 of 64 (506180)
04-23-2009 3:23 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by lyx2no
04-23-2009 12:57 PM


Re: T=∅
lyx2no writes:
that introduces the Universe at T=10-47
Shouldn't that be T=10-43?

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Huntard
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Message 55 of 64 (506224)
04-24-2009 3:20 AM
Reply to: Message 54 by nchunz
04-24-2009 1:46 AM


nchunz writes:
okay, i'll to quote what they said
Ok.
The big bang process is true. But, when the general relativity failed to explain "anything" what happened before the big bang, they used quantum approach to describe "who/what was there".
This is complete nonsense. That's not what quantum physics is about. Further, as has been said, there's no before the big bang.
The quantum mechanic said that reality comes true if there is an observer.
Nope, more nonsense.
The quantum mechanical description is in terms of knowledge, and knowledge requires somebody who knows. Quantum mechanics, the apparent requirement for a conscious, thinking observer who stands outside of the system and takes notes leaves many physicists cold.
Except of course, that it doesn't, as it's not true.
the philosophical implication of quantum mechanics is that the universe cannot exist in a vacuumat the level of indivisible particles, the universe has been constructed with a built-in need for people. Or God. Or both.
They don't really stop saying nonsense, do they?
Quantum theory seems to require us to step beyond the material to the metaphysical. It suggests a need for consciousness, for mind, for something that is more than just a collection of synapses in a glob of gray-matter. It seems to demand something transcendent, like intelligence or being.
It does no such thing.
Eugene Wigner, a Nobel Prize-winning physicist, in a classic essay on the implications of quantum theory, wrote that quantum theory is incompatible with the idea that everything, including the mind, is made up solely of matter: "[While a number of philosophical ideas] may be logically consistent with present quantum mechanics, ...materialism is not."
Don't know about this quote, I do however think it has been quotemined.
Perhaps the most awesome implication of quantum mechanics is the possibility that the universe only functions because it is continually observed by one who never blinks nor sleeps.
That's also wrong.
There has to be an observer - a link between mind and matter.
Not really, no.
The observer is definite and real, not described by a wave function Psi and probability Psi Squared. Measurement is the key concept. A change in the wave function Psi represents a change in our knowledge of the system. The observer must be outside the system of quantum theory. The observer's mind is the place where the decision is made that one state actually did occur - that is where probability is changed into fact.
More gobbledigook.
I think they are Stephen Barr's big fans, lol
Don't know that guy, but if this is waht he says, he's an idiot, or worse, a liar.
The point is they used quantum mechanic to prove God/"intelligent being" exist before the big bang, as observer. Because "something"(big bang) needs an observer to become real.
And quantum mechanics says no such thing.
Does it make any sense?
No, none at all, they're trying to tell you stuff that's just not true. Perhaps Cavediver could come in here and explain how it works, I'm not the person to do that, I do know however, that everything they said is complete and utter nonsense.

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Huntard
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Message 63 of 64 (506269)
04-24-2009 3:43 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by nchunz
04-24-2009 2:34 PM


To add to what Rahvin has said.
What you also seem to be getting at is the so often heard "the universe is just perfect for life!". This is not a correct way of stating it.
What should be said is that life is perfect for this universe. What do I mean by that? Simple, the universe doesn't exist so that life could arise in the manner that it did on this planet. Life arose as it did because it needs to fit its environment to survive. So in this universe, it couldn't have developed any other way on our planet, but that doesn't mean that were the universe any different, life couldn't arise at all.

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