Misc. side comments to things in other topics

Quoting Moose from 'has anyone changed' thread:

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I am concerned about the number of topics that are getting dumped into the "Free For All" forum. I think this one should have gone to the "Miscellaneous Topics" forum. Indeed, I wonder if the "Free For All" forum even needs to exist. I offhand don't recall anything much happening there, such that the topic couldn't be in one of the other forums. Perhaps we need to rename the "Free For All" forum to the "Syamsu Forum".

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I think Syamsu and I are in "Free For All" so as not to get suspended or censored. Maybe others too; I don't know. The fact that some of our threads are long says something about interest and import, doesn't it? If we didn't draw input from a fairly good crowd I would say your concern would be valid, except that we do draw, and I should think that would be productive to the forum. Could it be that with us over here, it's harder for you to manage our viewpoints via biased moderation tactics a we sense has been the case on some occasions?Percy says to go here because I'm disobeying forum rules and now you're saying there's too much being "dumped" here. Maybe if we were more fairly moderated as to our minority viewpoints we'd find less need to be in this oasis of freedom.Then too, often topics are such that related subtopics are beneficial to enhance the main topic. Personally, I enjoy the liberty to use a wider perspective on topics than is allowed on moderated threads, where you get the feeling of restriction by someone constantly looking over your shoulder and admonishing you.

Thanks Moose. I don't know how a debate will solve anything. I just don't like the idea of no place to go where little moderation is applied. I don't see the moderators giving up that much control of thought here, regardless of how a debate would come out, especially with Percy owning it. Regardless, one reason I like it here and would like to stay, is that when we make our statement, there's no want of response by intelligent folks, whether it be hostile or not. At least that's pretty much been the way with threads I've been involved with.

I appreciate your comments and willingness to meet me half way. I still don't quite understand how I deviated all that much from forum rules, as you alledged, but will agree to try and give more diligence to this if you're willing to loosen the restriction and see how it works out. I guess one problem is that when I, as a creationist minority, post opposing statements to the majority and six people answer, I am expected to address them all or I'm charged with leaving things hanging by members and moderators, thereby allegedly breaking rules even when I simply am too busy to address all the arguments of my counterparts or choose not to make replying comment. In the free for all there's not that problem so much with the freedom there, but then there's so many topics of interest in the other forums that I'm not able to respond to and I do miss that.By the same token I've made points that my counterparts choose to ignore, sometimes because they either obviously choose not to or have no refutational argument on numerous occasions and there seems to be no problem. I have no problem with that, but would appreciate the same priviledge when I'm either too busy with other matters or don't feel their argument is worthy of response. I hope not to put myself in the position of being strapped to the forum by comments I make or to be obligated to every comment made in response to those comments of mine.I have a lot of outside work around home and business to get done before cold weather and will at times be hit and miss in participation. Thanks.BTW, I'm going to miss, Syamsu, as it seemed he was one creationist who could articulate the language in debate with you all, more so than most of us creationists. IMO, it's a great loss to our team. I hope he can/will return sometime. I'm not making judgement here though, as I haven't read all that's transpired with him.

Thanks John, but please don't missunderstand me. I appreciate the input of all who are interested and inclined to respond, but also would appreciate the ability to respond to those comments which I feel worthy of my time and some patience on the part of majority view counterparts since it is sometimes one on five or six.

Gotta go for now. Bath n bed time. Outa town much of tomorrow.

My sincere apologies to Percy, Moose, and defenderofthefaith. I have been so out of it in forum activity these last few weeks that I missed your posts on moderation proceedures and so forth. The last I saw way back when was your Message 34 in this thread, Percy, and by that I assumed it was ok to go ahead and post elsewhere. Then when I saw your statement, Moose, elsewhere to the effect that you approved of my posting outside of Freeforall, I began to check back and found these other posts.As you can see, my time here is too limited, I'm afraid to even find time to read much, outside of what I acturally respond to. I don't think I would be of much help in that regard.Defenderofthe faith, I believe you asked me to comment on what aspects of moderation I am troubled with. I think moderation here is very good for the most part, so there's likely not enough complaint by me to warrant a thread. My problem, I believe is the consensus of Syamsu and what I've read of some others, whom I don't specifically recall; that moderation is biased in favor of evos. I don't think this is intentional, and consequently not recognized by the administration, whose mindset is naturalistic. This mindset is naturally uninclined to recognize supernatural events as possible because they do by definition, overstep scientific fundamentals which Administration seems to insist on being continually relevant to sensible discussion in the science topics.Then too, since most of the few creationists who find the time to be here are not scientists, and with the exception of a few, are unable to articulate much of the language of the physicist minded folk here in town. I'm glad to see Syamsu is back posting again, as he's one of those who can articulate quite well here, from what I've read of him. Consequently, when we do venture into some of these technical topics, we find ourselves having to resort much to links of those who are apprised in science and physics. I think the moderation of these situations should be more tolerant of this situation, as well as something John Paul alluded to, and that will be my third comment.Being the minority, we have more posts of our majority view counterparts. It is nice to have all that response, for the most part, but unless we spend a lot of time, it is really difficult to be really fair with all our counterparts and respond to each argument. In the Freeforall, we are able to pick and choose, as time warrants as to which posts we deem worthy of our time and can participate without being reminded of rules, unless it gets so out of hand that moderation is needed anyhow. O course, I found that being restricted to Freeforall isn't too neat either, as it would mess up the whole forum if main topics become too prevalent on Freeforall. I understand that problem more, having been tenyeared for a spell there. Off the cuff, I'd be inclined to think Defenderofthefaith would be fine at a try for moderator. Admittedly though, I haven't read enough to be very objective on that though, and would not be surprised if Administration would want to observe input by anyone for a period of time before installing moderators.Thanks Percy and Moose, for being fair and understanding with me. I'll try to keep the peace and participate in an acceptable manner, keeping those basic rules in mind. buz[This message has been edited by buzsaw, 09-15-2003]