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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
I am hoping that the Noachic Flood proponents such as allenroyboy will address this problem.
How is it that Noah and Co. were able to stow enough food for all of the animals?
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John Inactive Member |
They just took a little bit of food and then recycled.
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Quetzal Member (Idle past 5902 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
I thought Woodmorappe or Morris or one of that crowd had postulated that God placed all the animals in magical stasis for the voyage. That would neatly solve both the space limitations and food limitations. Packing their frozen bodies in the Copper Age equivalent of styrofoam crates and stacking them on top of each other makes as much logical sense as any other scenario I've read.
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docpotato Member (Idle past 5077 days) Posts: 334 From: Portland, OR Joined: |
I always suspected that they fed the animals pieces of "Ham".
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Bonobojones Inactive Member |
Recycled? What, meadow mcmuffins for breakfast?
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John Inactive Member |
Lots of undigested material in that stuff!!!
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
OK, come on all you believers in the Flood!!
Why don't you want to discuss this??
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
This is something I figured out about a year ago in another thread in this forum.
Flood believers, what do you think? OK, here is something I have intimate knowledge of; feeding horses. Let's assume that there were only two horses on the Ark. Let us also assume that they were of average size and were relatively easy keepers. Let us ignore the fact that keeping a horse standing still in a small stall for a year would be quite dangerous to it's health, as they need to move around to keep their guts working properly. Let us also ignore the muscle atrophy and depression and boredome which would also have detrimental effects. Let us also assume that we would not feed these horses grain, because anyone who feeds horses knows that confining a horse and feeding it lots of grain (high-powered) food is a prescription for life-threatening health problems (colic) and excitability and unruliness. Letting the horse roam on several acres (at least) of land and feeding it hay and grass (low-powered) food generally results in a much more sane, tractable, placid horse. Now that we have determined that Noah would need to take on a lot of hay to feed these horses, let's see if we can figure out how much these two horses would need. Well, if we are talking about a sedentary horse, and just wanting to get it to survive, not necessarily keeping it in good weight, I estimate, very conservatively, that you could get away with feeding the horses 15 pounds of hay a day, each. A bale of hay is something like 30 pounds. This means that Noah, just to feed two horses and no other herbivores on the Ark, would need nearly 11,000 pounds of hay for 365 days. Of course, this doesn't even account for the fresh water that would have to be stowed on board, as nobody could drink sea water and they couldn't collect enough rain in 40 days and 40 nights to last them the other 325 days. Horses drink about 6-10 gallons of water a day, so this makes the two horses' minimum fresh water requirements for the year at 4,380 gallons.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 764 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
Well now, Schraf, I think I can get our creationist friends out of this muddle before they even get here. All they need to do is accept Eohippus (= Hyracotherium) as the Noachic representative of the Horse Kind, and they're in the clear! Medium dog-sized, eats and drinks less, maybe even easy to housebreak.....
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
Well, I do not believe it to be impossible but heres a verse for you, considering your view of impossibility towards the Flood's happening.
Mark 10:27 - Jesus looked at them and said, "With men it is impossible, but not with God; for all things are possible with God." ------------------Psalm 14:1 The Fool says in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good.
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Charlemange Inactive Junior Member |
How many animals do we assume he had on the ark to feed?
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John Inactive Member |
Magic? Do you really consider that an answer?
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John Inactive Member |
Creationists like to push a figure like 17,000. But even that is far too many for the ark and the idea require some amazingly rapid hyper-evolution immediately after the flood in order to account for the millions of species around today.
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Charlemange Inactive Junior Member |
The total cubic volume would have been 1,518,000 cubic feet [462,686.4 cubic meters]...that's equal to the capacity of 569 modern railroad stock cars. If the number can be agreed at 17,000 - 20,000, it would seem like enough room for them. There are really only a few very large animals, such as the dinosaur or the elephant, and they could have been todds.
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allenroyboy Inactive Member |
I recommend the book "Noah's Ark: A feasibility Study" by John Woodmorappe, 1996. If your local library does not have the it, it can easily be inter-library loaned.
Part I A complete Inventory of the Animals and Supplies on the Ark. Chapter 1: Which part of the animal kingdom was on the Ark?Chapter 2: Floor Space Allotments for the Animals. Chapter 3: Quantities of Water and provender Required Chapter 4: Wast Management Chapter 5: Heating, Ventilation, and Illumination of the Ark. Part II Alleged Difficulties Regarding the ARk and its Cargo. Chapter 6: Some Factors in the Construction of the ArkChapter 7: The Gathering of Animals suitable for year-long Captivity. Chatper 8: Manpower Studies: Eight People care for 16000 animals? Chapter 9: Basic Living Conditions on the Ark. Chapter 10: The preservation of Feedstuffs on the Ark. Chapter 11: The Colossal Bulk of Hay Required for large Herbivores Chapter 12: Feeding Challenges I: Animals the Eat Fresh or Live Food. Chapter 13: Feeding Challenges II: Animals with specialized Diets Chapter 14: Boarding the Ark: The Fallacy of Climatic Barriers. Chapter 15: Dormancy of Anim als on the Ark. Part III: The Recovery of Earth's Biosphere after the Flood Chapter 16: How Organisms outside the Ark Survived the FloodChapter 17: Biological Effects of Semi-saline Floodwater. Chapter 18: How Amphibians Survived the Flood. Chapter 19: Alleged Problems facing the Post-diluvian plants. Chapter 20: End-Flood Events: Why the Ark in the Mountains? Chapter 21: Food Sources in the "Barren" Postflood World Chapter 22: The first post-diluvian food chains. Part IV The Adequacy of Single pairs in the repopulation of the World Chapter 23: Demographic Ramifications of Single-pair foundersChapter 24: Avoinding the Hazards of Inbreeding Chapter 25: The Ark Animals: Carriers of Adequate Genetic Diversity Chapter 26: The Post-Flood Generation of Rare Allels Chapter 27: The Restoration of variation in Mitochondrial DNA Chapter 28: Was Noah Afflicted with Diseases? Part V Conclusion Chapter 29: Conclusion. I realize that to most people on this bulletin board all this is nothing more than frivilous amusement, but this book shows that thought and research has been done to address an assorment of issues that have been raised and that there is nothing new under the sun. If someone is really interested in what has been proposed to deal the the purported problems concerning the keeping of animals on the Ark (and associated issues) this is the best source of information to be found anywhere. There is no need for me to reproduce this information here as it is already easily available to all. Allen
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