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Dr Adequate
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Message 198 of 530 (528185)
10-05-2009 4:50 AM
Reply to: Message 195 by Peg
10-05-2009 4:37 AM


he did say that nature gives the 'appearance of design'
No he didn't.
This is why the statement that you have put in quotes is not an actual quotation.

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Message 203 of 530 (528203)
10-05-2009 7:02 AM
Reply to: Message 202 by Peg
10-05-2009 6:54 AM


Re: Some facts that Peg may not be aware of
that said, there are many reasons to doubt evolution and those doubts dont only come from people like me who believe in creation...they come from the mouths of the evolutionists themselves...
But, as we have noted, this is not actually true.
I dont get my quotes from creationist websites btw...i use my own reference book entitled 'Life-How did it get here? By evolution or creation' published by the WT org.
Ah, I see. Not a creationist website, a creationist pamphlet.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 224 of 530 (528239)
10-05-2009 10:39 AM
Reply to: Message 204 by Peg
10-05-2009 7:25 AM


Re: Some facts that you may not be aware of
Peg writes:
Izanaqi writes:
A black widow is a spider, yes? A tarantula is a spider, yes? If they are both spiders, are they different species?
no, for the reason that they are both spiders. the are different 'types' of spider.
You really assert that a black widow and a tarantula are the same species?
And yet I suppose you will assert that humans and chimps are different species?
Will you present us with a definition of "species" other than "because Peg says so"?
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Dr Adequate
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Message 225 of 530 (528242)
10-05-2009 10:49 AM
Reply to: Message 206 by Peg
10-05-2009 7:35 AM


Re: Some facts that Peg may not be aware of
No, its not a pamplet
its a 251 page hard cover with over 200 cited references in it bibliography
well researched and well written is what it is.
Ah, so you do in fact get your nonsense from a mess of creationist propaganda ... but it does indeed have too many pages for me to call it a "pamphlet". True, they have indeed written entire books of this gibberish: I've laughed at them myself, so I sha'n't deny it.
How about you try to get your nonsense from well-researched scientific studies based on the observable evidence?
Oh, right, because you can't.

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Message 230 of 530 (528365)
10-05-2009 10:50 PM
Reply to: Message 229 by Coyote
10-05-2009 6:05 PM


Graft
In English English the word "graft" tends to mean "hard work" rather than "bribery and corruption".

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Message 231 of 530 (528367)
10-05-2009 10:58 PM
Reply to: Message 217 by Peg
10-05-2009 8:46 AM


Re: Some facts that you may not be aware of
Percy, evolutionists are the ones telling the story and they print a lot of literature in an attempt to explain it
of course we read it and when the things they say dont add up to the evidence they provide, it leads many people to question them and pick them up on such quotes.
for instance, evolution teaches a long and slow progression from species to species, but the evidence is contrary to this. Rather then a long slow development, they show higher categories emerge in a very sudden way in the fossil record
that doesnt add up to what they claim evolution is about. If its a slow progession, then why is the evidence showing a sudden appearance of species?
Or do you think its wrong of us to question them because we dont do the field study ourselves?
But this nonsense shows that you have studied nothing yourself. You are just reciting creationist lies and creationist gibberish.
No, you're not wrong because you haven't done the "field study" yourself. You are wrong because you thought that a hyrax was "fox-like", because you thought that a salamander was a fish, and because, as that post demonstrates, you talk arrant nonsense about evolution, the fossil record, and every other biology-related subject you discuss.
It's not that you "don't do the field study yourself", it's because you flatly ignore and deny the findings of the people who have. It's not that you haven't studied the evidence yourself, it's that you live in an imaginary world entirely disconnected from the findings of the people who have studied the evidence.
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Message 266 of 530 (528703)
10-06-2009 5:12 PM
Reply to: Message 232 by Calypsis4
10-05-2009 11:31 PM


Re: Some facts that you may not be aware of
Peg was telling the truth even if she did not list all her sources. I have read the statements by most of those whom she quoted and I can verify that she did not take them out of context ...
You claim that you can "verify" that each of those statements was not taken out of context.
Well, good for you. Hooray! Only, before I believe that you're telling the truth, I'd like to see you, for each of those statements, quote the sentence that preceded it and the sentence that followed it. Just to check that you really have seen the context and that you're not just an ignorant stinking gasbag of creationist lies like so many people who post here. I mean no insult to you personally, but you must realize that so many filthy stupid degraded creationist liars crawl on these forums oozing their foul degenerate slime of falsehood that I am obliged to check.
Thanks.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 361 of 530 (529703)
10-10-2009 6:51 AM
Reply to: Message 353 by Calypsis4
10-09-2009 9:21 PM


Re: Coal Mine Artifacts
The Ica pottery of South America. How did the ancients even know what such dinosaurs looked like unless they had seen them?
Apart from the fact that you have been taken in by a clumsy obvious fraud, which has been thoroughly exposed, I should like you to spend half a minute thinking about what you just said.
We know what dinosaurs look like without having actually seen them.
Really. Spend fifteen seconds thinking about this fact.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 362 of 530 (529704)
10-10-2009 6:56 AM
Reply to: Message 353 by Calypsis4
10-09-2009 9:21 PM


Re: Coal Mine Artifacts
The evolutionist attempt to refute this one is pitiful. It was found near the 9,500 ft elevation in western Utah.
Er ... what do you think that "evolutionists" have to refute?
It's a rock. No "evolutionist" denies the existence of rocks.
Please explain to us why you are having hysterics about this rock.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 363 of 530 (529706)
10-10-2009 7:01 AM
Reply to: Message 353 by Calypsis4
10-09-2009 9:21 PM


Re: Coal Mine Artifacts
Then this: thats me examining what appears to be a human footprint stepping inside a dinosaur footprint in northern Arizona.
Since actual human footprints do not, in nature, have white lines around them, I presume that the "photograph" that you have shown us is something that you have faked.
I should be interested to see the original photograph before you drew white lines on it shaped like a clumsy hand-drawn image of a shoe.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 370 of 530 (529854)
10-10-2009 8:17 PM
Reply to: Message 366 by Calypsis4
10-10-2009 10:22 AM


Re: Coal Mine Artifacts
I have studied this enough to know that this was not a fraud.
But you have not studied this enough to know that it is a fraud. This study would take you all of five minutes, and I urge you to undertake it.
You are stilly naive and you are still lying to yourself.
That would be a wonderful argument if personal attacks had any merit as arguments ... and if it was true.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 372 of 530 (529907)
10-11-2009 1:38 AM
Reply to: Message 371 by Kaichos Man
10-10-2009 10:45 PM


Re: Selection Pressures
One reason that your point is more obscure than you would wish it to be is that having said that "the problem is a mathematical one", you then do not, in fact, do any math.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 378 of 530 (530021)
10-11-2009 10:39 PM
Reply to: Message 375 by Calypsis4
10-11-2009 4:45 PM


Re: Results of study
The evolutionist position is wrong yet again ...
Yes, every new intermediate form that turns up is another nail in the coffin of evolution. No, wait, I mean creationism. Oops. I nearly said that proof of how tyrannosaurids evolved was evidence against evolution. But that would have been retarded. As you yourself appear to admit: "The Raptorex fossil proves that these features evolved".
Yes, once more an indisputable intermediate form has been discovered, and once more creationists have egg all over their stupid faces.
What will they do when they find the remains of a human inside the belly of a T-Rex? I am certain that day is coming.
Your fantasies are evidence of nothing but your own peculiar mental state.
And since this is not going to happen, you'll have to make do with basing your absurd faith on fraudulent cartoons scratched on rocks.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 382 of 530 (530083)
10-12-2009 7:38 AM
Reply to: Message 381 by Kaichos Man
10-12-2009 7:29 AM


Re: Results of study
What evolutionists can discover is indeed pretty darn awesome. But I don't see how this observation will hasten the day on which Calypsis's absurd fantasies will come true.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 388 of 530 (530106)
10-12-2009 9:43 AM
Reply to: Message 384 by Kaichos Man
10-12-2009 8:13 AM


Dragons
Dr Adequate,
Have you ever wondered why every far-flung culture on earth, many of which have been separated by unbridgable time and distance with no opportunity to communicate with each other, all have "the dragon" as part of their folklore?
No. For the same reason that I've never wondered why I'm being attacked by vast flocks of flying pigs.
And why were these dragons always large, dangerous reptilian creatures, do you think?
* sighs deeply *
Whenever we find a culture with a mythical reptile, we translate its name into our word "dragon". The reason why all the stories we classify as dragon legends have things in common is that the things that these stories have in common are the reason why we classify them as dragon legends.
Hmm. Large, dangerous reptiles...that sounds familiar...
Yeah. From boa constrictors to crocodiles to Komodo dragons, the world is indeed full of large dangerous reptiles. The concept of large dangerous reptiles should sound familiar, because they actually exist.
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