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Buzsaw Inactive Member
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I've noticed that the ratings are abused by vindictive members who have no scrupples about using them simply to wage personal attack on fellow members with whom they disagree on ideology, etc.
One of such appears to be following me around the forums, indiscriminately loading up my ratings with ones. That's quite obvious when you get, for example three in a row, one being simply a short statement announcing that you were compiling your message while another was posting and that you had to leave for other duties for a spell. In another thread, most of my messages in the thread suddenly got indiscriminately loaded up with ones. I've noticed that most of the high threes and fours apply to the majority POV and most of the lows go to the creationists. I suppose that's to be expected. Imo, the rating system would be fine if it weren't for a few vindictive members. It only takes one of these types to trash another's ratings. I know it's not a biggie issue. I can live with it and go about doing the best I can, but given it does not end up being fair and objective, methinks the cite would do well without the system. Why provide this club for vindictive members who abuse it to go on personal attack against others with whom they disagree or as revenge when they get refuted in fair debate?
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Buzsaw Inactive Member
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PaulK writes: Buzsaw hasn't won a single debate here In nearly 7 years? No wins? Paul, can you even spell objective? Of the many you've flubbed on, this one message per contestant, debate right here tops them all. Perhaps we could just slap each other with a one-er here and now and call it a draw. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member
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Rahvin writes: Well, that's the other problem, isn't it - "winning" isn't usually an objective assessment, either. We very rarely (on any side of any argument) squeeze a concession out of our opponents around here - I don't doubt that many of our debates leave participants on all sides believing they have "won" the argument. Nevertheless, the ratings most often reflect on whether the debater has won, i.e. ideology. Thus the disparity between creo and evo ratings.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member
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PaulK writes: None that I can recall. Remember that I did qualify my statement with "as far as I know" even though you chose to snip it. Oh, wow, Paul. Thanks! That's reassuring, in that the verbal jab was based on your knowledge. Edited by Buzsaw, : add quote
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Rahvin writes: You are receiving low ratings that may be undeserved from one perspective, but are well deserved from another. Is it simply because you are a Creationist? Are you making poor arguments? Is your writing style not well-liked? Did a given post have anything about bigotry? Were you blatantly factually incorrect? Did the voter simply not like you? There's no way to tell. In my case it was obviously one who does not like me. I'm not pointing any fingers, however. I hope others will refrain from doing so as well. That's not the purpose of this thread. I had a 4.3 up until one message. Suddenly my rating dropped to 2.9. I checked and noted that obviously some meanspirited member loaded my messages on that thread indiscriminately with ones. I don't think it was the member who posted the message to which I was responding who crashed my rating. Since then it appears that someone (perhaps the same person) is following me around. When you get a one for saying you will be away from your computer a spell, that's obviously a malischous application of the rating system. As I said, it's no biggie to me. The only reason I'm going into details here is for the premise of the thread. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member
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Iano writes: And I gave you a 1 on your next post just to see what'd happen. You went from 4.5 to 4.4. Hi Iano. The rating system is still fully operative for a purpose. Imo, so long as that's the case, it should be used for the purpose which it serves. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member
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On prophecytalk members may give blessings for messages which turn them on. There's no negative options. That works fairly well. However at that site, though there's different doctrinal issues, most are professing Christians, so there's not the degree of ideological disparity which we have here.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Granny Magda writes: The rating system only uses the average rating given by any particular member. In other words, if you want to do the dirty on someone's member rating, the worst you can do is rate them 1, once. Any subsequent 1s would just average out to 1 and not affect the overall member rating (only the message rating). The same would be true of repeatedly rating the same member at a 5. Hi Granny. I understand how it works, but if a meanspirited poster suddenly and indiscriminately dishes out a bunch of ones, a good rating can be halved or so as suddenly as the ones were tagged. I don't think the fives is affected as much since they would not be given for meanspirited reasons. Perhaps that's why systems void of negatives might work more efficiently. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member
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Granny Magna writes: Not if only one person is doing it. The member ratings are based on the average of each member's ratings of your posts. It doesn't matter how many times a single member rates you a 1. Say if I decide to get all Old Testament on you and wax some wrath. I rate all your messages a 1 out of spite. It won't be any different from if I'd rated a single message at 1. The software takes an average of my votes on your posts and uses that (along with everybody else's). I could rate you a 1 for all 6790 of your posts and the net effect on your member rating would be the same as if I'd only done it once. If lots of members have rated your messages, a single 1 vote won't have much effect. If only a few members have rated your messages, a single 1 vote could cause a big swing. Capish? Then why did I suddenly, within a few minutes, drop from 4.3 to 2.9 on this thread where a string of ones suddenly showed up?
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Buzsaw Inactive Member
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Peg writes: ignore the rating system and it goes away Good advice, Peg. Perhaps that had a bearing on what happened then and since. In the thread in which the big dip occured, several of my counterparts were not friendly. The dip came after a personal attack over my overall posting MO. In my defense I cited the good rating I had. Perhaps counterparts dogpiled to see to it that from thence on my ratings would stay down. Anyhow, other than to discuss the system, your advice is wise.
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