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Author Topic:   Why Ratings Are Not Objective.
Straggler
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Joined: 09-30-2006


Message 67 of 88 (538219)
12-04-2009 3:13 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by Admin
11-24-2009 7:05 AM


Re: Possible New Rating System?
Admin writes:
It should also be possible using correlations to divide members into camps and adjust the impact of their ratings according to how strongly they and who they're rating correlate with the different camps. Properly implemented, a low rating from some members could have the effect of increasing someone's rating.
I fail to see how this even could work given the widespread nature of debate. Two members from opposing camps of the deistic/theistic Vs atheistic debate might wholly agree with each other on social threads relating to gun laws or anti-discrimination laws. For example.
I like the new member stats on forums participated in with percentages etc. Is there a way to see when a member last logged in? Regardless of having posted. If not is this a stat that could be published in a members stats profile?
And if we want to get controversial is there a way to show not just the stats pertaining to the threads a member participates in and the number of posts per day - but their number of words per post?
Half joking with that last one

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Straggler
Member (Idle past 95 days)
Posts: 10333
From: London England
Joined: 09-30-2006


Message 69 of 88 (538224)
12-04-2009 3:37 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by Admin
12-04-2009 3:29 PM


Re: Possible New Rating System?
Admin writes:
How about a readability index. Your first paragraph scores at 11th grade with an ease of reading of 44, about mid-range of the Flesch-Kincaid reading ease score.
I don't know if that is a subtle compliment, a subtle dig or just a statement of pure fact. But it sounds like a good idea.
Flesch-Kincaid reading ease score

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Straggler
Member (Idle past 95 days)
Posts: 10333
From: London England
Joined: 09-30-2006


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Message 77 of 88 (564037)
06-07-2010 9:38 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by Minnemooseus
06-07-2010 5:52 PM


Re: Finding messages having ratings
MM writes:
That said, I do have some curiosity about what my current "4" member rating is based upon. But I am unable to track down any of my messages that have received a rating.
You may have noticed that your rating has plummeted. This is because of me (sorry). I rated about ten of your messages in a mini version of one of Petrophysics's campaigns of personal hatred to see what would happen.
Admin writes:
So for those of you trying to influence the member ratings your job is easy: vote once.
This is just blatantly untrue. The more you are continuously rated by one person the more that one persons vote counts.
I do think the current member message rating system is deeply flawed and not to be taken too seriously.
Blatantly.

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Straggler
Member (Idle past 95 days)
Posts: 10333
From: London England
Joined: 09-30-2006


Message 80 of 88 (564089)
06-08-2010 7:25 AM
Reply to: Message 78 by Minnemooseus
06-07-2010 10:26 PM


Re: Finding messages having ratings
Actually, I suspect that I've had so few messages rated that one "1" was all it took to drop a "4" to a "2.2".
Nope. It took all 10. I watched it go down successively and wondered if there would come a point of having no effect. That point didn't come. I just got bored.
By the way, should you be messing with someone who can arrange for your status to be changed from "member" to "suspended member"?
Never been suspended yet and would hate for it to occur over something done in the spirit of experimentation.
Also I figured you admins could just wipe out the results of my experiment anyway.
Added by edit: Damn, that "1" I just gave you at the previous message had no effect on your "2.3". Must be a really solid "2.3".
It is. Petrophysics has gone through and 1 rated every single post of some members (Phage and Bluegenes amongst others) in a given thread. He must have rated hundreds of messages at a time.
Must be a really solid "2.3"
Or at least it was. I see it has changed. So not sure what is going on now. But at least I can die happy with my new elevated status

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Straggler
Member (Idle past 95 days)
Posts: 10333
From: London England
Joined: 09-30-2006


Message 81 of 88 (564090)
06-08-2010 7:32 AM
Reply to: Message 79 by Blue Jay
06-07-2010 11:04 PM


Re: Finding messages having ratings
The way Percy explained it, each individual only gets one vote on a person's rating, which is the average of all the ratings that individual gave to the person.
So, in order for your continual adding of "1"s to make a difference, you must have once rated a Moose message high, and each successive "1" brings down the average of your ratings.
I don't think I had ever rated Moose until my mini campaign of experimental 1 ratings. And each 1 rating I gave him had a significant effect.
So I am unconvinced that is how it actually works. But who knows. Bring on the new all singing all dancing AI system that actually gives you verbal feedback (in a Hawking style robot voice) as you write is all I can say.
In Hawking robot voice: **This post sucks. Hit that submit button at your own risk of ridicule and humiliation**

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Straggler
Member (Idle past 95 days)
Posts: 10333
From: London England
Joined: 09-30-2006


Message 84 of 88 (564130)
06-08-2010 12:22 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by Admin
06-08-2010 9:21 AM


Re: Finding messages having ratings
Well I have rated an additional 9 of Moose's posts with 1s (sorry again Moose!) and this appears to have had no effect whatsoever on his member rating which remains a solid 4.
I am not sure if that is as intended or not..

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Straggler
Member (Idle past 95 days)
Posts: 10333
From: London England
Joined: 09-30-2006


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Message 87 of 88 (564394)
06-10-2010 8:35 AM
Reply to: Message 86 by onifre
06-09-2010 9:20 PM


Re: Finding messages having ratings
Dude, why the fuck are you rating shit?
To see what happens.
Stop caring about ratings, no one gives a fuck
Easy to say from your elevated 3.4 status!!
You're cooler than that, Strag...
Apparently not. But as of now I will be!!
BTW I have given your message of inspiration and hope a well deserved 5

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