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Author Topic:   How can we be possibly be happy in Heaven?
zephyr
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Message 15 of 132 (54038)
09-05-2003 2:56 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Brian
09-05-2003 2:43 PM


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It sounds as if Mr. McCormack has a very over active imagination.
A guy with Christian parents about to expire and hears his mum praying, I wonder what kinda dreams that sparks off in someone's mind?
Can these stings produce an halluciogenic effects?
Well, in addition to being cardiotoxic and producing cardiorespiratory arrest in sufficient quantities, the venom is neurotoxic. So, as if being directly poisoned weren't enough, Mr. McCormack's brain was also being asphyxiated during his experience. Food for thought, at the very least.

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zephyr
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Message 17 of 132 (54042)
09-05-2003 3:05 PM
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09-05-2003 2:58 PM


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And in this condition, if Mr. McCormack witnessed a crime do you think that his evidence would be accepted by a court of Law?
Fortunately (?) my only experience thus far with courts of law is in the realm of cinema. However, I think your average lawyer would be delighted to handle that cross-examination.

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zephyr
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Message 98 of 132 (59620)
10-05-2003 11:51 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by Philo-sopher
10-05-2003 8:45 PM


Re: Happy in Heaven??
Philo...
Can you cite a biblical basis for what you're saying? I'm a vegetarian myself, and am all for the avoidance of animal suffering... but the only Christians I've ever known who even questioned the consumption of animal flesh were Seventh Day Adventists, and everyone else viewed them with great suspicion. Two places in the Bible, off the top of my head, would seem to conflict with your view:
1) when Adam and Eve leave the garden wearing new garments of animal skins, and
2) when Peter has a vision where he objects to eating unclean animals and is told (three times, I believe) to "kill and eat."
Those were always presented to me as part of an overall view that God's people were meant to subdue the world, to kill animals whenever it was convenient, and to consider them part of God's creation but in no way equal to us and not possessing a soul.
Consider me the devil's advocate here... I'm on your side, but I remember all too well what I was taught.

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zephyr
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Message 106 of 132 (59908)
10-07-2003 11:28 AM
Reply to: Message 105 by Prozacman
10-07-2003 11:17 AM


Re: Happy in Heaven??
Of course they will. It's interesting how different people decide where to draw the line between a "denomination" and a "cult." Of course, the SDA's say they're the only true church. Every time I take I-10 over to the Florida panhandle, I see their billboards in Alabama - "Saturday the true Lord's Day, changed by Anti-Christ" and so forth.
Anyway... if SDA is a marginalized denomination, it only further supports my statement: mainstream Christianity, as I have always known it, has never had any serious concern for the lives of all God's creatures. I've even heard condemnation of those who go too far in that direction, because it was seen as flirting with animist pagan belief. Respecting nature, in the minds of some, is dangerously close to deifying it.

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zephyr
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Message 110 of 132 (59925)
10-07-2003 12:19 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by Prozacman
10-07-2003 11:53 AM


Re: Happy in Heaven??
For sure. All the cool people are going to be there anyway.

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zephyr
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Message 113 of 132 (59956)
10-07-2003 2:48 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by Prozacman
10-07-2003 2:18 PM


Re: Happy in Heaven??
I'm only disappointed because this means I'll never meet Kurt Cobain. Unless I find enlightenment and someday enter (*drum roll*) nirvana!
(*cymbal crash*)
My apologies. This sense of humor (or failed attempts thereat) runs in the family....

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zephyr
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Message 116 of 132 (60013)
10-07-2003 10:05 PM
Reply to: Message 115 by Prozacman
10-07-2003 6:37 PM


Re: Happy in Heaven??
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Nothing wrong with your sense of humor! I inhereted mine also(what's left of it). Of course you know that Nirvana is from a totally non-biblical religion to begin with.
Of course
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Not that Buddah didn't teach some surprisingly similar ideas found in the Bible. He certainly did. You may wish to read a book(read??a book??omegod!!)titled, "Jesus and Buddah", Marcus Borg,Ed. if you are interested. Heck, if we want to we can interpret Jesus' sayings about being "born-again" to mean we will be re-incarnated!
On what is probably a much less serious note, I absolutely loved the book "Lamb," by Christopher Moore. It fills in the missing years in the Gospels, including some time that Jesus spends with Buddhist monks. Great book.

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