The General writes:
If you have a problem with its content it should be brought to my attention under 'Chemical Evolution.'
I did. See
Message 4 of the
Chemical Evolution thread.
Second, who are you to say what I have written and what I have not written.
I am merely someone who has done the following:
- Compared your words in the opening post of the Chemical Evolution thread with the words of Lee Stobel in his book The Case For Faith as quoted at http://student.fortlewis.edu/~ramosher/strobel.htm.
- Compared the style and vocabulary of the words in your replies to the words in your essays.
These comparisons tell me you are a plagiarist, which isn't permitted here as it is a violation of the
Forum Guidelines:
- Never include material not your own without attribution to the original source.
The General writes:
This is my piece (
Chemical Evolution), and while it does bear some terminology similarities to 'A Case for Faith' certainly it does not plagarize as you first suggested.
Your plagiarism of the Lee Stobel material is quite blatant and obvious:
- Stobel (quoting Walter L. Bradley): "Russian biochemist Alexander Oparin proposed in 1924 that complex molecular arrangements and the functions of living matter evolved from simpler molecules that preexisted on the early earth," he said.
- The General: It was Alexander Oparin who, in 1924, proposed that complex molecular arrangements and the functions of living matter evolved from simple molecules that pre-existed on the early earth.
- Stobel: "Then in 1928, British biologist J.B.S. Haldane theorized that ultraviolet light acting on the earth's primitive atmosphere caused sugars and amino acids to concentrate in the oceans, and then life eventually emerged from this primordial broth."
- The General: Then in 1928, J.B.S Haldane theorized that ultra-violet light acting in the earth's primitive atmosphere caused sugar and amino acids to concentrate in the oceans, and from there a primordial broth was eventually formed.
- Stobel: Later Nobel Prize winner Horold Urey suggested that earth's primitive atmosphere would have made it favorable for organic compounds to have emerged.
- The General: Nobel winner Harold Urey suggested that the earth's primitive atmosphere made it favorable for organic compounds to have emerged.
- Stobel: I remember being taught in school about his landmark experiment in which he recreated the atmosphere of the primitive earth in a laboratory and shot electricity through it to simulate the effects of lightning.
- The General: Miller recreated the atmosphere of the primitive earth in a laboratory and shot electricity through it to stimulate the effects of lightning.
- Stobel: Before long, he found that amino acids--the building blocks of life--had been created.
- The General: Very soon, he found that amino acids (the building blocks of life) had been created.
- Stobel: I can remember my biology teacher recounting the experiment with an infectious enthusiasm, suggesting it proved conclusively that life could have emerged from nonliving chemicals.
- The General: To many these proved that life could have emerged from non-living chemicals.
- Stobel: "For a while, evolutionists were euphoric. But there was a major problem with the experiment that has invalidated its results." (Bradley speaking)
- The General: Unfortunately for Miller, his results have since been invalidated due to one huge problem.
- Stobel: "Miller and Oparin didn't have any real proof that the earth's early atmosphere was composed of ammonia, methane, and hydrogen, which Miller used in his experiment."
- The General: The problem is Miller or Oparin had no proof that the earth's early atmosphere was composed of ammonia, methane, and hydrogen, yet this is what Miller used in his experiment.
- Stobel: "They based their theory on physical chemistry."
- The General: This experiment was based on physical chemistry.
- Stobel: "They wanted to get a chemical reaction that would be favorable, and so they proposed that the atmosphere was rich in those gases."
- The General: Miller and Oparin wanted to get a chemical reaction that would be favorable so they proposed that the atmosphere be rich in these gases.
- Stobel: "Oparin was smart enough to know that if you start with inert gases like nitrogen and carbon dioxide, they won't react."
- The General: Oparin knew that if you started with gases like nitrogen and carbon dioxide, the chemicals would not react.
- Stobel: "What was the real environment of the early earth like?" I asked.
- The General: So what was the real atmosphere like?
- Stobel: "From 1980 on, NASA scientists have shown that the primitive earth never had any methane, ammonia, or hydrogen to amount to anything," he said.
- The General: From 1980 on, which was well after the Miller experiment, NASA has shown that the primitive earth has NEVER had any methane, hydrogen, or ammonia that would amount to anything.
- Stobel: "Instead, it was composed of water, carbon dioxide, and nitrogen--and you absolutely cannot get the same experimental results with that mixture."
- The General: Instead, NASA has consistently shown that the primitive earth was composed of water, carbon dioxide, and nitrogen.
So, what do you think, General? Is Lee Stobel so simpatico with you that he can write your words in a book before you've even thought of them yourself? Or did you plagiarize Lee Stobel's words, either from his book or, more likely, from one of the many websites already using Stobel's material?
The General writes:
The reason you cannot find the original author on the Internet is because I have not put it on the Internet. However last year I did send out a nine part series to about fifty readers. Part I was titled "Different Theories on Man's Origins." Chemical Evolution was an excert from it. I could post the article on here, or I could email it to you. Or I could do neither. The choice is yours. Until then please keep your suspicions to yourself.
They're not suspicions. I've conclusively proved you are a plagiarist. Because of this, I think it would be a good idea for you to email any future essays to
Admin and get my okay before opening any more new threads. There will be no penalties at this time, and you retain full privileges at EvC Forum.
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