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Author Topic:   "Archaeopteryx; bird or reptile, or both?"
RAZD
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Message 21 of 34 (552058)
03-26-2010 8:03 AM


bump for JETZEN
JETZEN posted a new topic
this is a thread with the same general topic.
Also see EvC Forum: Archaeopteryx and Dino-Bird Evolution
Message 1: is archaeopteryx a...... valid example of a transitional fossil?
in a recent debate i was in. i was requested to provide a transitional fossil. and i used an archaeopteryx.
my creationist apponent was still unreasonable and without a clue.
This is normal. It's the problem with idee fixes.
Also see Transitional Fossils Show Evolution in Process.
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Message 31 of 34 (552505)
03-29-2010 3:32 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by rockondon
03-29-2010 3:15 PM


Hi rockondon, and welcome to the fray.
It has a jaw with reptillian teeth, absent beak, a long bony tail, a neck that attaches to skull from rear (like dinosaurs) instead of from below (like birds), a flat breastbone, stomach ribs, reptilian vertebrae, unfused wristbones (birds have fused ones), unfused ankle bones (ditto), sacrum occupies only 6 vertebrae (half the minimum for birds), and (my personal favorite) three bony claws jutting out from the middle of each wing. These are reptillian characteristics, not bird ones.
And then there are the list of bird characteristics, such as feathers and wings, characteristics that become more derived in modern birds, and that show archy was intermediate between reptiles and modern birds.
Unfortunately OutcastiNator was banned after this thread was started on 03-29-2005 - 5 years ago today.
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