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Author Topic:   Safety and Effectiveness of Herbs and Pharmaceuticals
Hyroglyphx
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Message 87 of 209 (554614)
04-09-2010 9:33 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by Percy
01-04-2008 2:30 PM


Maybe I didn't summarize enough of Novella's comments. His basic point is that herbs are, in many cases, untested drugs of unknown safety and effectiveness that should be placed under the jurisdiction of the FDA. At one point he says, "Herbs...are typically marketed based upon tradition and anecdote with insufficient scientific evidence for safety or efficacy."
There is truth to both. The whole "holistic" market is replete with alternatives to pharmaceuticals. We tend to forget that ancient people's used various forms of traditional medicines and alchemy in the past, but that we also falsely rely on them. As you stated, many are untested by the FDA or their international equivalents.
The problem is that there is also a false sense of pharamceuticals too which often have side effects worse than the actual condition you want to treat. How many drugs are being pulled off the shelves and how many lawsuits are in effect because the product is dangerous? A lot.
There is no discounting the good that comes from the too, but honestly I feel like it's a crap shoot. You just can't tell how your body and your chemistry is going to react to these meds.
My wife was taking certain meds that were making her more sick, in the form of serious memory loss and a very serious case of akathisia. As soon as she was off those meds, she had made marked improvements. How ironic?! She took the meds to sedate her anxiousness and it made the condition ten times worse!
I refuse to take drugs in most instances, unless I am very sick (which is very rare). I won't even take Alleve or Tylenol for headaches because all it does is dull your senses. It treats the symptom, not the cause of the problem. 9 out of 10 times, just drink more water. Your body is telling you are dehydrated. There are specific reasons why you get headaches, so treat the problem, not the symptom.

"Political correctness is tyranny with manners." -- Charlton Heston

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 90 of 209 (554631)
04-09-2010 11:23 AM
Reply to: Message 89 by New Cat's Eye
04-09-2010 10:19 AM


So for some things I think they're useful.
I'm not saying they don't serve a purpose. Acetominephine is one of the more tried and true drugs out there, I am just giving you an alternative.
Some people are reliant on drugs when they don't have to be. I know people addicted to meds and what is supposed to be treating them is actually the cause of their problems.
I dated a girl in high school who was addicted to Afrin (a nasal decongestant). If you take the product more than 3 days, it actually causes your nasal cavities to clog up because it stops the bodies natural mucous system.
There is also some concern that things like autism (which is dramatically increasing) is due to government mandated vaccinations. The claim is that "thimerosal," an additive in vaccines made from the compound, mercury, is the main cause. A court ruling recently determined that no significant link can be made. The debate is back and forth, I honestly can't say whether there is a link or not. One thing is for certain, it seems to me. Something in the environment or something we are ingesting is the cause, because there is no reason why there should be an increase as dramatic as it is unless it is something we are regularly in contact with.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 97 of 209 (554651)
04-09-2010 12:45 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by nwr
04-09-2010 11:55 AM


Perhaps there is an actual increase in the rate of autism, but because so much of what is seen can be explained as "we are looking harder," we need to be cautious in how we assess the evidence.
Hmmm, I suppose that is very possible. People with Asberger's and autism are like high-functioning individuals with a mild case of mental retardation. I used to work with a man (this is the military, mind you) who clearly had Asberger's. Somehow he made it in and stayed in for 10 years until they found a way to kick him out. My point is, I suppose it was easy to overlook the diagnosis in the past, lending credence to perhaps we're just looking for it more now.
herbal remedies that are not part of our natural diet does strike me as unnatural, and just as unnatural as taking something made in a laboratory.
I'm not advocating holistic medicine's for the same reasons you listed. Every year there is some new gimmick that is pure horseshit. The lastest craze is the acclaimed acai berry from South America is the latest scam. I just meant if you have a headache it may be your body telling you to drink some damn water. That's what I tell my son or daughter to do when they have a headache before I administer any kind of drugs. They don't get enough water in their diet because their urine is friggin' orange!

"Political correctness is tyranny with manners." -- Charlton Heston

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 98 of 209 (554653)
04-09-2010 12:52 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by Granny Magda
04-09-2010 12:08 PM


Re: Vaccine-Denialism Not the Issue
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I honestly can't say whether there is a link or not.
Then why comment at all? If you're going to start spreading scare stories about vaccines for children, vaccines that undoubtedly save lives, you really ought to have something to back it up. If you don't, then in my opinion, you should refrain from comment.
I brought it up in hopes that I could gain some more insight on the subject. I wasn't endorsing the theory or rejecting the theory. I was being inquisitive because I would like to know more. Although it was barbed, thanks for your input nonetheless.

"Political correctness is tyranny with manners." -- Charlton Heston

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 103 of 209 (554661)
04-09-2010 1:21 PM
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04-09-2010 1:08 PM


Re: Vaccine-Denialism Not the Issue
Wow, looks like they've tarred and feathered Wakefield. Perhaps that's what he needed though for starting the hysteria.

"Political correctness is tyranny with manners." -- Charlton Heston

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