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subbie Member (Idle past 1285 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
Faith, there is a rather large difference between prohibiting the formation of a school club (which would receive money/space/whatever from public dollars and thus constitute an official endorsement of that religion over others) and prohibiting the possession of Bibles or prayer by individual students. I'm not perfectly clear about what you're saying, so if I misunderstand, please forgive me, but I think you are incorrect about part of this. If a school generally lets student groups use school facilities, the school may not prohibit religiously oriented groups from using the facility on the same basis as the other groups. There is a specific Federal statute on this issue, and my opinion is that the Constitution requires this equality of treatment. This does not amount to an establishment of religion, instead it is an accommodation of religion. There is an inherent tension between the Establishment and Free Exercises Clauses. Reasonable minds can come to different conclusions on particular resolutions of different situations. But it is clear under current jurisprudence that schools must allow student religious groups access to school facilities to the same extent that other student groups have it. As far as just about everything Faith says in this thread, she is so irretrievably wrong that it would take someone with the wisdom of Oliver Wendell Holmes and the patience of Job to explain it to her. Since I lack both, I see no point in banging my head on that brick wall. Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
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subbie Member (Idle past 1285 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
One of those rights is the free exercise of religion and the Constitution does not limit that free exercise in government buildings or functions. Exercising does not constitute establishment. It all depends on who is exercising. If it's a government official in the exercise of his/her duties, then it is. If it's a person acting in their capacity as a private individual, then it's not. Capisce? Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
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subbie Member (Idle past 1285 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
Yes.
Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
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subbie Member (Idle past 1285 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
The third Clause of Article I Section 2 as written began with
(Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.) The first Clause of Article I Section 2 as written stated
The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person. The third Clause of Article IV Section 2 as written stated
(No Person held to Service or Labour in one State, under the Laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in Consequence of any Law or Regulation therein, be discharged from such Service or Labour, But shall be delivered up on Claim of the Party to whom such Service or Labour may be due.) It was in fact written into the Constitution. Once again, Faith, you are simply wrong. Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
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subbie Member (Idle past 1285 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
Wow, hysterical much?
No, I would not have heckled anyone. That would have been rude and improper. I would not have written hate mail. Believe it or not, it is possible to civilly disagree on these matters. {AbE} What's more, and just for the record, I'm not sure all of those things are comparable to the first example that you gave, either. But at the moment I'm not particularly interested in closely examining that question. {End edit} Seriously Faith, I think you need to get your meds adjusted. Edited by subbie, : No reason given. Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
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subbie Member (Idle past 1285 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
Similarly, there is nothing preventing a State from saying that in order to vote, you must have a college degree. While you are correct that there is nothing in the Constitution expressly prohibiting such a requirement, I suspect that courts would likely strike any such requirement under reasoning similar to that in Harper v. Virginia Board of Elections. Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
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subbie Member (Idle past 1285 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
Buz, there's really only one response to this installment of your "wisdom."
Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
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subbie Member (Idle past 1285 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
There are some positions that are so mind-boggling bereft of any meaningful substance that the only appropriate response is ridicule. Thomas Jefferson identified one, as I outline in my signature. You have produced another one. Anyone who could even pretend to hold the position you describe cannot be influenced by a substantive reply. I already knew that you were such a person. You really didn't need to provide further proof of your inability to perceive reality, but it was nice of you to do so anyway.
Interestingly, according to Wiki, there are only two places in the world where women aren't allowed to vote, Saudi Arabia and the Holy See. This is the sort of company you find yourself in, Buz. I hope I'm not the only one who sees the delicious irony in this fact. Edited by subbie, : Subtitle Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
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