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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Do you believe in demons/devils?
Sounds like some of their antics to me.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Schizophrenia, yes, but that level of hallucinatory experience doesn't happen without demonic input.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
No, I'd be telling him he needs to talk to an exorcist.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Richard Simmons an exorcist?
Sorry, over my head. Really, not an exorcist, a pastor, because I don't know where he'd find an exorcist who wasn't a charlatan. But an exorcism is what it sounds to me like he needs. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
No, there have been some genuine ones. Usually pastors who found themselves having to deal with this sort of thing and had to learn it on the job as it were.
In the early church, exorcisms were performed routinely as people became believers out of occultic backgrounds. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Witchburning didn't happen until the middle ages. Casting out demons from new believers was standard before that.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Not interested in learning anything, are you? This kind of mental illness is beyond mental illness. The mind doesn't do things like that, this has something supernatural to it. And besides, I said that's what I'd tell him if he were a Christian. Not that context matters to you either.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
But my dear these fellows do not believe in anything supernatural. Other than the pea sized universe at shortly after T=0. I know, I must enjoy abuse or I wouldn't try to make them aware of reality.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
There's plenty of testimony to demon spirits from both the practitioners of shamanistic religions and from Christians who have encountered demon spirits, not to mention scripture which reports on them and is evidence too, but you will deny such testimony, discredit the witnesses as crazy just as you always do and confirm your own prejudice BY your prejudice, and since the spirits are normally invisible (although they can manifest physically in some cases) there's no other kind of evidence. So you can maintain your illusion indefinitely, unless God permits a demon spirit to manifest to you personally.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Consistency, similarity of testimony, many witnesses to same kind of phenomena, etc.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
There's plenty of testimony to demon spirits There's also been plenty of testimony to flying saucers and bigfoot too. Does that make it so? In the case of UFOs yes I believe they are witnessing something real, although I don't thnk they are visitors from other planets.
but you will deny such testimony, discredit the witnesses as crazy just as you always do The people claiming it are usually just ignorant, not crazy. The people they claim are demon possessed are the crazy ones. They don't know how to rationally explain it so they make up elaborate stories just like you are doing. And there you have it. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
So you must believe in UFOs, ETs, leprechauns, Horus, Apollo, psychics, spoonbenders, mermaids, Bigfoot, etc. UFOs are demonic manifestations of some sort. ETs are demons or similar beings. Reports of encounters make that clear. The "gods" are also demons. There is such a thing as psychic power; if real it's usually caused by demons. It's also quite fakable too of course. Spoonbenders I don't know. Demons can manifest physically in some ways. Various Hindu gurus have been able to manifest some things physically, usually trivia, trinkets. Spoonbending probably not too difficult if you're in touch with the right demons. Have no idea what mermaids are or what the testimony is to them, or bigfoot either.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
1) How can you tell which mental illnesses are demonic and which are not? Anything with hallucinations is probably influenced by demons.
2) If mental illness is caused by demonic forces, why do anti-psychotic medications work? I don't know but I had a schizophrenic brother who killed himself when they changed him from one anti-psychotic med to another. He always said he had voices telling him to do things. We'll never know but a voice probably told him to kill himself.
3) If mental illness is caused by demonic forces, why do exorcisms not work? I didn't say all were caused by demons, and I would never recommend an exorcism to a nonChristian, and there are plenty of fake or just unknowledgable exorcists. The person has to be willing to change anyway -- the reason demons gain access is because of false beliefs and sinful lives.
4) Why should we believe that mental illness is caused by "demonic" influence, if all you can say is "these other people say so?" Whio are they? Why should we give credence to their words? What evidence supports their testimony? The testimony was to their existence, period. Not to their role in mental illness. As far as I know little or nothing has ever been done in relation to possible demonic causes of mental illness.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Those drugs are used in shamanistic religions and there is some question whether it is the chemicals alone or the demonic influence associated with the drugs' use that causes the hallucinations. Demon lore has it that they associate themselves with certain places and substances so they'd just follow the drugs to the new users.
In the OP, the buzzing noise and the orange flash are phenomena I've seen reported of demonic enounters in other circumstances. Also read Jacques Vallee on UFO appearances, some of which are characterized by similar phenomena. He argues that they are not extraterrestricals but some sort of spiritual deception, and he's not even a Christian. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
For some evidence concerning the nature of UFOs I did suggest reading Jacques Vallee, who researched the phenomena and concluded they were not physical but some sort of deception by spirit beings.
Jacques Valle - Wikipedia
...by 1969, Valle's conclusions had changed, and he publicly stated that the ETH was too narrow and ignored too much data. Valle began exploring the commonalities between UFOs, cults, religious movements, demons, angels, ghosts, cryptid sightings, and psychic phenomena. Speculation about these potential links were first detailed in Valle's third UFO book, Passport to Magonia: From Folklore to Flying Saucers. As an alternative to the extraterrestrial visitation hypothesis, Valle has suggested a multidimensional visitation hypothesis. This hypothesis represents an extension of the ETH where the alleged extraterrestrials could be potentially from anywhere. The entities could be multidimensional beyond space-time, and thus could coexist with humans, yet remain undetected. Valle's opposition to the popular ETH hypothesis was not well received by prominent U.S. ufologists, hence he was viewed as something of an outcast. Indeed, Valle refers to himself as a "heretic among heretics".
He's not a Christian but from a Christian point of view such deception would be the work of demons or fallen angels. Descriptions of the beings that some claim to have encountered with UFO type phenomena, if of course you believe anything such people report of their experiences, simply suggest demons again to someone who believes the Bible. Some Christians think there may be other kinds of spirit beings, but the Bible at least refers to fallen angels, how they are worshiped by the world's religions as "gods" and placated by sacrifices, and how they possess human beings if given an entry. Of course if you don't believe any of these things, people's reports of their own experiences, or the Biblical reports of people's experiences either, then I guess nothing is going to convince you. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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