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Author Topic:   Creation as presented in Genesis chapters 1 and 2
Straggler
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Message 221 of 607 (562670)
05-31-2010 6:55 PM
Reply to: Message 219 by ICANT
05-31-2010 6:48 PM


Re: Moving The Goalposts
Straggler writes:
So can we take the KJV bible as written to be the "absolute truth"? Or not?
I can.
Except where it says "was" with regard to the first earth huh?
ICANT writes:
The Bible will be the final authority as that is what we will be discussing.
I still affirm that there are two stories one in chapter 1 and one in chapter 2.
I still affirm that there are two different earths in the two different stories.
ICANT writes:
No one has presented convincing evidence to the contrary.
Likewise with regard to the two earths affirmation. All you have done is demonstrate some selective translation and interpretation that is no more valid than mine

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Straggler
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Message 223 of 607 (562673)
05-31-2010 7:23 PM
Reply to: Message 222 by ICANT
05-31-2010 7:11 PM


Re: Two Earths? - "Do you agree that the KJV Bible says what it says? Yes/No"
ICANT are you going to continue to behave dishonestly or are you going to answer the question?
Is it your position in this thread is that the KJV bible is poorly translated and thus cannot be taken literally?
ICANT writes:
Since you only presented one source that addressed the word hayah I suppose that is all you could find.
I provided 3!!!! The first 3 I came across. FFS ICANT. OK I will do another cursory google search. Oh look in the first link I come across its says: Link
quote:
I am also aware that some use the argument that ‘become’ as a translation of Hebrew hayah represents a construction with a preposition ‘to’ (94 times) or ‘as’ (11 times) or ‘in’ (twice), when exegeting the KJV. It can also be stated that hayah is translated ‘was’ some 3,800 or more times in that version.
You can argue till you are blue in the face about whether "hayah" is best translated as "was" or not (and this link does exactly that). But it is obviously widely considered to be a valid translation and it is indisputably this translation that has been used by those who wrote the KJV.
Thus the KJV supports the two earth affirmation. Do you deny this?

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Straggler
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Message 239 of 607 (562767)
06-01-2010 12:27 PM
Reply to: Message 226 by ICANT
05-31-2010 8:48 PM


Ever Moving Goalposts
ICANT now writes:
The 1611 KJV Bible we have is the best English translation we have. Is it perfect? No as it has been translated by men.
Hmmmm. Let us compare this with what ICANT wrote previously in this thread.
ICANT previously writes:
quote:
I am approaching these two stories as written in the KJV Bible as the absolute truth.
I am affirming what is said in the KJV Bible
Nothing matters except what is written in the KJV Bible as that is all that I am affirming in this thread
Do you agree that the KJV Bible says what it says? Yes/No
Do you see why some might consider your stance on this somewhat contradictory?

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Straggler
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Message 240 of 607 (562768)
06-01-2010 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 224 by ICANT
05-31-2010 7:26 PM


Re: Moving The Goalposts
The KJV does not say another Earth existed in Genesis 1:2.
Well it all depends on the assumed quality of your translation and then your subjective interpretation of that translation doesn't it? That is what this thread has demonstrated if anything.
Therefore you are refuted.
You have contradicted the entire premise of your own thread and been shown that the words of the KJV taken literally can just as easily apply to two earths as your own unique and bizarre claims.
I don't think it is me who has been refuted here ICANT.

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