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I.D. proponents: Make up your mind!

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Message 13 of 62 (563229)
06-04-2010 1:21 AM 		Reply to: Message 3 by tesla
06-02-2010 10:30 PM

Re: magnum
The attempt is for science to recognize a created universe. that i do know, and also believe. The proponents, myself included, want science to recognize this observation about existing That we trust as fact.
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So provide concrete evidence and then science could recognize a created universe. The fact is there has been no shown evidence as such.
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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
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Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
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Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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06-07-2010 12:04 PM 		Reply to: Message 19 by tesla
06-06-2010 9:38 PM

Re: It's the evidence...
It is worse when a scientist is so closed minded they take the position of "there is no God" instead of " i don't know if there is a God." Because science has zero proof that God does not exist other than God wont obey THEM.
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The point is that a scientist must be objective to the existence or not of deities. Their belief or lack of belief must in no way affect the scientific inquiry. One must draw a line between religion and science.
If there is no separation, there is no science.
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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
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Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
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Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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06-10-2010 10:32 AM 		Reply to: Message 27 by tesla
06-10-2010 7:57 AM

Re: It's the evidence...
Tesla's Quote mine writes:
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The point is that a scientist must be objective to the existence or not of deities
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my entire statement writes:
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The point is that a scientist must be objective to the existence or not of deities. Their belief or lack of belief must in no way affect the scientific inquiry. One must draw a line between religion and science.
If there is no separation, there is no science.
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Yeah I'd like to think that..So why are so many proclaiming that God is as much a variable as a leprechaun? They choose the belief he's an impossibility. What kind of scientist would ignore such a huge possibility with massive repercussions if they are wrong? based on what evidence for no God? Lack of proof he is? We exist don't we? isn't "how can we exist" a question that God would be the best explanation for? what more proof do they need to even entertain the idea?
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Tesla, you miss the point I was trying to convey. Science & Religion must be separated from inquiry so as not to taint the results. It also must be that whether gods exist or not, cannot affect the way the results are perceived. That is the objectivity I was stating. A person's religious views have to be separated from the inquiry.
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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
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Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
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Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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06-10-2010 11:10 PM 		Reply to: Message 39 by tesla
06-10-2010 7:10 PM

Re: It's the evidence...
You cannot do that unless you see God in a natural sense
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How can you see a supernatural entity in a natural sense? Anything that involves the entity "god"is beyond the capabilities of the natural world and exists only in the minds of indoctrinated individuals. Whether there is a god or not has nothing to do with the natural world of which is where science is. God = religion not matter how one slices it.
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Edited by bluescat48, : typo
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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
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Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
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Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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bluescat48
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06-13-2010 8:35 PM 		Reply to: Message 53 by tesla
06-13-2010 5:30 PM

Re: It's the evidence...
it's just what we call things beyond our comprehension.
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You may call it that, I simply call it things not yet discovered and keep it natural.
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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
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Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
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Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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