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Blue Jay

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Message 34 of 62 (564467)
06-10-2010 5:21 PM

Reply to: Message 17 by tesla
06-06-2010 9:34 PM

Re: science and tentativity and trust

Hi, Tesla.

I'm curious as to how you reconcile these two positions:

tesla writes:

Its our misunderstandings that make science flawed. The dynamics of the universe are perfect. we are not.

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tesla writes:

But i do disagree that all science is tentative. some things are objectively true.

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Objective truth is not science: objective truth is the thing science is hoping to find.

Science itself is the search for objective truth. And, since that search is carried out by imperfect people, it will always fall short of perfect, and we can never really be sure that we’ve found that objective truth.

That’s where the tentativity comes from. And, all science has it.

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Message 35 of 62 (564474)
06-10-2010 5:56 PM

Reply to: Message 1 by Fiver
06-02-2010 8:22 PM

Theory of Everything

Hi, Fiver.

Fiver writes:

Originally, Intelligent Design was presented as an opposing viewpoint to the Theory of Evolution, suggesting that it was a hypothesis within Biology.

I would be careful interpreting this too far, for two reasons:

Evolution is just the buzzword: I’m not convinced that they ever actually presented it as an alternative just to Darwinian evolution.
Even if they had originally presented it as an alternative just to the Theory of Evolution, given that it really isn’t (and never really was) an alternative just to the ToE, it seems like it was entirely appropriate for them to change their minds and present it differently.

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Fiver writes:

So what is it, I.D. proponents? What is Intelligent Design about? Is it an area of Biology? Or of chemistry? Or of physics?

Is there a problem with it being all of these?

If God really made all of those things, shouldn’t they all be explained by the same theory?

Isn’t that what creationism/ID is? A theory of everything?

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Message 60 of 62 (565793)
06-20-2010 7:52 PM

Reply to: Message 36 by tesla
06-10-2010 6:48 PM

Re: science and tentativity and trust

Hi, Tesla.

tesla writes:

without objective truths existing; science would have no base to begin tentative analysis.

Sure it would: it would have what we think is objective truth as a base from which to begin tentative analysis.

And, this is pretty much the reality of things.

But, this is not the same as your original statement. You said:

tesla writes:

But i do disagree that all science is tentative. some things are objectively true.

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Even when some things are objectively true, all science is still tentative, because, once again, science is not objective truth, but the search for objective truth.

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