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Author Topic:   Biological classification vs 'Kind'
PaulK
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Message 208 of 385 (563990)
06-07-2010 5:03 PM
Reply to: Message 205 by Straggler
06-07-2010 1:26 PM


Re: "Kinds" needs definition.
quote:
So this entire bad tempered tangent is simply wrangling over the pointlessly subtle and practically irrelevant distinction between:
A) Kinds were created by God. New kinds would require macroevolution. Macroevolution is unobserved and impossible. Therefore there are no new kinds.
and
B) Kinds are defined as being created by God. New kinds cannot occur by evolution because then the first definition would be violated. Therefore there are no new kinds.
It would be better described as the difference between:
A) There is a genuine disagreement between creationists and evolutionists over whether what the creationists call "macroevolution" actually occurs.
or
B) The creationist denial of "macroevolution" is a stupid irrelevance because the term refers to nothing. To call it a strawman would be to give it too much credit.
And in fact I think that there is an important point here. We must remember that creationist terminology is NOT universally agreed amongst creationists. We cannot assume the meaning intended by any individual creationist when they use these terms.

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PaulK
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Message 221 of 385 (564066)
06-08-2010 2:49 AM
Reply to: Message 216 by BobTHJ
06-07-2010 9:27 PM


Re: a deeper understanding
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Another tangent that might be of interest to you: Here's another article from my favorite Dr. Wile on why the second law of thermodynamics does NOT falsify evolution, but does impose some constraints upon it.
And when you read both it and the 2nd part you realist that Dr. Wiles is somewhat confused by evolution (and thermodynamics).
There is a direct link between the processes of evolution and the sun's light and heat. Plants power themselves by solar energy, animals eat plants and so on spreading that energy through the food chain. And this is the energy that powers the processes of evolution (Wiles' quibble about there being many ideas about evolutionary processes is wildly irrelevant).
I do suggest that if you are serious about fairly evaluating the evidence you should be a lot more cautious about trusting creationist sources. Wiles, for instance, is obviously heavily biased and anything he writes needs to be balanced against more reliable sources.

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