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Dr Adequate
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Message 59 of 181 (576846)
08-25-2010 11:11 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by Dogmafood
08-25-2010 9:43 PM


What is the name of the guy who conducted a study at a county fair about 150yrs ago. He recorded all of the guesses regarding a cows weight and found that the mean of the guesses was exactly correct.
Francis Galton.
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If we apply the same method to deciding how many gods there are, then apparently the polytheists are right. There's about a billion Hindus out there, and their pantheon is large.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 60 of 181 (576847)
08-25-2010 11:44 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by caffeine
08-25-2010 11:27 AM


Re: symptom not cause
... my coworker, who, laughs at the religious for being ignorant and credulous, thinks I'm a cultural imperialist for valuing 'western science' over 'eastern wisdom' ...
Whereas curiously enough claiming all the science being done by the Indians and the Chinese and the Japanese and so on for the West is not cultural imperialism. If some guy called வெங்கட்ராமன் ராமகிருஷ்ணன் describes the molecular structure of the ribosome, that's not "eastern wisdom", that's another triumph for us white folks, hurrah! Anyone who disagrees is probably some kind of racist.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 61 of 181 (576849)
08-26-2010 2:56 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by ringo
08-24-2010 6:40 PM


Re: Part of the Problem
What about fundamentalists who oppose gay marriage? How do you propose to "get rid of" them?
Being the old-fashioned type, I like to get down on one knee, produce a ring, and say "will you gay-marry me?" That usually gets rid of them.
Do you see what I did there?

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Message 73 of 181 (577081)
08-27-2010 4:49 AM
Reply to: Message 72 by archaeologist
08-27-2010 4:29 AM


Re: Religion = Bonbons
what a laugh. a bunch of biased, unobkective, hatefilled people thinking they can decide for billions of people.
If only you'd also accused us of poor spelling, underuse of capital letters, and having the username archaeologist, that would have been perfect.
your analogy fails for it assumes that the other person at the table is like-minded with you. with no morality, there is nothing stopping him from picking up the gun when you are not looking and shooting you to get the food you bought at the grocery store.
On the other hand, with no religion this would not be a problem, since religion is what the gun stands for in the analogy.
you people just do not think things through ...
... says the guy who just completely missed the point.

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Message 83 of 181 (577189)
08-27-2010 12:33 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by archaeologist
08-27-2010 4:25 AM


until you people start factoring in the fact that once you remove religion, especially christianity, ytou remove all morals and the need to be good.
Let me remind you that you are addressing an audience largely composed of people who are atheists, and who therefore know for certain that you are bearing false witness.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 93 of 181 (577277)
08-27-2010 10:09 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by archaeologist
08-27-2010 7:00 PM


yet i am not
What you wrote was, and I quote:
once you remove religion, especially christianity, ytou remove all morals and the need to be good.
This is false, and know to your audience to be false.
* Theological ramblings snipped *
The falsehood you uttered is not even remotely implied by the Pauline doctrine of grace.
Paul says that morals and the need to be good are insufficient for salvation. You say that they are absent in the absence of religion. And that is not Scriptural, it's just something you've made up. And it is false.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 95 of 181 (577310)
08-28-2010 12:54 AM
Reply to: Message 94 by archaeologist
08-27-2010 11:59 PM


didn't say one false hood if you remove religion you remove morality.
And I know for a fact that this is false, since I have morality without religion.
This is not a point on which you can even hope to deceive me.
this has been proven time and again, north korea is another prime example.
An example does not prove a general statement.
If someone were foolish enough to claim that religion was utterly incompatible with morality, then referring to one event such as the Spanish Inquisition, or to two events such as the Spanish Inquisition and 9/11, or to three events such as the Spanish Inquisition and 9/11 and the sack of Jerusalem ... would not prove the point.
But one counterexample destroys a general proposition.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 97 of 181 (577319)
08-28-2010 3:57 AM
Reply to: Message 96 by archaeologist
08-28-2010 3:27 AM


wrong again, for you confuse 'fear of punishment' with morality.
No I do not.
When you tell me falsehoods about my own opinions, you are not going to deceive me.
the japanese are a good example. their main 'religion' has no moral teachings then they suspended it for ww2. removing their religious beliefs allowed them to commit the most immoral acts against other nations.
remove religion remove morality. there are those who did not follow that path and kept to their moral teachings BUT all morality comes from God thus even though a secular person may teach a 'moral code' they did not invent it, they got it from someone else who got it from someone else who got it from someone else and so on until we get back to God.
History fail.
atheism is not moral, just look at ho wyou all talk about christians and what you want to do with them. you want to strip them of the same rights you enjoy and manyother things
You are, once more, telling me untruths about my own opinions.
hypocrisy, double standards, fibbing, fudging, being dishonest, manipulation, and so much more that you all practice is NOT morality.
And my actions.
you may think because you do not kill, rape or steal (cars, etc ) that you are moral, but morality goes a lot further than that. you may think you are a good person but you need to compare yourself with the sandard--Jesus and God-- then see where you stack up.
And I notice that I have committed genocide a lot less often than your imaginary godlet.

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