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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
But the government is limited to acting in a secular fashion
no it is not. the government can change any rule they want. Well, that would require a constitutional amendment, and I really doubt that you could get the votes.
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4220 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
if atheists want evolution then they should start their own private schools like christians and others are forced to do. What do atheists have to do with evolution? Evolution is a scientific theory, Atheism is a lack of belief in supernatural entities. Where is the connection? Most evolutionists aren't Atheists. {ABE this was supposed to be a response to EvC Forum: ICR Sues Texas Which is message 88 Somehow I must have hit the wrong button Edited by bluescat48, : error in response. Edited by bluescat48, : added line There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
archaeologist writes: yes i know but i thinkit is worse to compell only one part of the population to pay more than the other for the education they want. if atheists want evolution then they should start their own private schools like christians and others are forced to do. First, the goal of education is not to teach the student what the student wants to know but what the student needs to know. Second, atheism has nothing to do with Evolution. Evolution is a fact regardless of whether someone believes there are gods or not. Edited by jar, : figx fumbl fingrs Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Dawn Bertot Member (Idle past 113 days) Posts: 3571 Joined: |
First, the goal of education is not to teach the student what the student wants to know but what the student needs to know. I dont think you actually think about anythig before you spout off. If students needs to be taught what they need to know, then they need to be taught evolution has nothing to do with origins of things, while they are being taught it as a so-called fact. They need to be taught in the classroom that there are only two logical possibilites as to how things are here to begin with, creation (evolution notwithstanding) as one of those possibilites. While there is no need to go into depth into the theistc position, it certainly falls within the area of science, if even from only a position of the reality of natural things. If the student needs to be taught what they need to know, these things should be included in that process
Second, atheism has nothing to do with Evolution. Evolution is a fact regardless of whether someone believes there are gods or not. Right, evolution is a fact, while biological Macro evolution is a theory Dawn Bertot Edited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given.
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archaeologist Inactive Member |
Hiding unsupported assertions. --Admin
Right, evolution is a fact wrong, it has not been proven to be a fact only proclaimed as one. secularists still cannot recreate the original conditions that saw rise to life or the process nor can they verify any discovery of such for it would still only be a guess and a theory. evolution is a lie, plain and simple and predictions do not make it true nor even valid, for only the successful ones are reported making the the whole 'predicitons' argument a sham. Edited by Admin, : Add hide.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Dawn Bertot writes: I dont think you actually think about anythig before you spout off. If students needs to be taught what they need to know, then they need to be taught evolution has nothing to do with origins of things, while they are being taught it as a so-called fact. Guess what? They are taught that. Evolution has nothing to do with origins of life, only the origin of the diversity of life we seed. It is the science of Abiogenesis that studies the origin of life.
Dawn Bertot writes: They need to be taught in the classroom that there are only two logical possibilites as to how things are here to begin with, creation (evolution notwithstanding) as one of those possibilites. Uh, no, they do not need to be taught anything about creationism. It is one possibility under Abiogenesis but so far there is NO evidence that supports Special Creation and lots of evidence that supports physics and chemistry. If and when there is any evidence related to Special Creation then perhaps it might be worth including in a curriculum. Edited by jar, : fix subtitle Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Percy Member Posts: 22506 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
Dawn Bertot writes: I dont think you actually think about anythig before you spout off. If students needs to be taught what they need to know, then they need to be taught evolution has nothing to do with origins of things, while they are being taught it as a so-called fact. Students are taught the current consensus within science.
They need to be taught in the classroom that there are only two logical possibilites as to how things are here to begin with, creation (evolution notwithstanding) as one of those possibilites. All creation needs to do to get into the classroom is to become the consensus within science. It is because ICR wants to give degrees not only outside the scientific consensus but outright rejected by 99% of scientists that it cannot get accreditation in Texas. --Percy
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Admin Director Posts: 13046 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.7 |
Hi Archaeologist,
Sorry that I had to suspend you. I'm hoping that you'll begin supporting your assertions when you return.
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Nij Member (Idle past 4920 days) Posts: 239 From: New Zealand Joined: |
Right, evolution is a fact, while biological Macro evolution is a theory
No. Macroevolution is evolution; evolution is a fact of the natural world. The theory of evolution is a scientific theory. The theory is not the fact. The fact exists; the theory explains the fact. I think somebody made this distinction in other threads (but it may be the older unactive ones).
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Right, evolution is a fact, while biological Macro evolution is a theory Wrong
quote:Please read Scientific Theory, Law, and Hypothesis Explained | Wilstar.com Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Dawn Bertot Member (Idle past 113 days) Posts: 3571 Joined: |
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Dawn Bertot Member (Idle past 113 days) Posts: 3571 Joined: |
Guess what? They are taught that. Evolution has nothing to do with origins of life, only the origin of the diversity of life we seed. It is the science of Abiogenesis that studies the origin of life. Is design which carries as much weight as macro evolution, taught as a science in this arena Abiogenisis
Uh, no, they do not need to be taught anything about creationism. It is one possibility under Abiogenesis but so far there is NO evidence that supports Special Creation and lots of evidence that supports physics and chemistry. If and when there is any evidence related to Special Creation then perhaps it might be worth including in a curriculum. Uh, yes they do need to be taught about the creation theory, since design supports it and it falls well within the only two logical explanations of the origin of life in the first place It is one of only two logical alternatives, supported by design, which makes it more than scientific. These divisions of abiogenisis and evo are contrived terminology, directed at avoiding very simple points I defy you demonstrate otherwise Dawn Bertot
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Is design which carries as much weight as macro evolution, taught as a science in this arena Abiogenisis Huh? There is no evidence of either design or designer. Further, even if there was it is worthless, of no value. The issue would still be "How does the designer do things" and so far the only model that has any evidence in support of it is the Theory of Evolution. Of course design is not taught and cannot be taught until there is a Theory of Design that explains what is seem better than the Theory of Evolution does. In addition, Abiogenesis has nothing to do with design, it is simply searching for the ways that life might originate.
Uh, yes they do need to be taught about the creation theory, since design supports it and it falls well within the only two logical explanations of the origin of life in the first place There is no theory of Creation. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Dawn Bertot Member (Idle past 113 days) Posts: 3571 Joined: |
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Dawn Bertot Member (Idle past 113 days) Posts: 3571 Joined: |
Students are taught the current consensus within science. I thought we were interested in what was actual demonstratble fact, the consensus could be and is wrong concerning the FACT of evolution Dawn Bertot
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