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BarackZero-
That sure does move back that "third world slag heap" you were predicting, doesn't it.
Moreover, there are considerable reserves in Canada stored in oil shales. Our technology continues to improve with respect to not only recovering oil but also in locating it.
Please contact your pals at the Club of Rome to learn how and why technology will let us down. Again. Luddites like them and you are not to be believed. They've/you've been so wrong so many times in the past, why should they/you be believed now?
I find your blind faith in future technology as a way to defeat the laws of physics quite amusing.
Lets get a few things straight: Coal and Oil are NON-RENEWABLE. Meaning when you use them, they're gone.
Still with me? Good.
So, when you use non-renewable resources they're eventually going to run out. If you're almost completely dependent upon said non-renewable resource for almost every aspect of your life and suddenly said resource RUNS OUT, well then you're pretty fucked.
Technology is NOT going to make non-renewable resources renewable. Renewable sources of energy may help with the issue but I personally have serious doubts that they will completely displace fossil fuels. I have some hope in nuclear fusion, but that's just about it.
Look up the "Impossible Hamster" to get a better visualization of the dilemma you're simply ignoring. Technology will not allow for indefinite, exponential human growth. It's a PHYSICAL LAW. Granted, this thread isn't discussing human growth specifically but simply doing nothing regarding our society's interdependence on oil only exacerbates the problem.
Also, about that shale in Canada. The EROI on any type of oil shale is very low. When I say very low, I mean VERY LOW. Anywhere from 1.7:1 - 2.1:1
Oil Shale is, at best, a MARGINAL resource. It is nearly impossible to rely on it: really a resource needs an EROI of 3:1 to be of real practical use. Corn-based Ethanol has an EROI of about 1:1 and is thus completely worthless. Oil in America when first discovered had an EROI of about 100:1 for some perspective.
So yes, they may be a lot more oil out there but most of it is NOT WORTH EXTRACTING. In accordance with the "Best First" principle our best, most profitable oil reserves have been or will be depleted. Whats left when all is said and done is, indeed, a lot of unused oil worldwide, but would incur a loss to extract.
Edited by Tupinambis, : No reason given.