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Author Topic:   What IS evidence of design? (CLOSING STATEMENTS ONLY)
frako
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Message 47 of 377 (607765)
03-06-2011 6:07 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by fearandloathing
03-06-2011 5:52 PM


Well i think you too should be focusing more on this
honeycombs and beaver dams are relatively simple in design, tough this is a very complex piece of engineering. Called magnetic termite mounds.
1 thing flat pointed directly east west to minimise the flat surface on witch the sun can land
2 thing these "buildings" have internal cooling systems so the mound stays at a comftorable 30 C almost all the time
3. it has a graveyard up on top, "royal chambers" on the bottom and lots of other rooms for diferent purposes

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frako
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Message 52 of 377 (607775)
03-06-2011 7:03 PM
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03-06-2011 6:51 PM


Couldn't it be said that animals build structures based on what works with no understanding of why it works??
No question that a termite does not understand why that structure works, and i can easely see the structure part of the evolution of those termites.
- the termites that dug their "city" died more often then those that built it upwards
- the termites that made flat cities facing the right way died less often then those that built it differently
- the termites that made holes at the bottom and top to alowe for hot air to escape up top thus sucking cool air from the bootom died less then the termites that had no holes or holes at the wrong places
just a few millenia of trial and error and success encoded in their DNA.
tough still their structures are designed, the only diference is that their trials and errors are "writen down" <-- .....

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frako
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Message 127 of 377 (608101)
03-08-2011 5:32 PM
Reply to: Message 124 by slevesque
03-08-2011 5:14 PM


irreducibly complex system as one composed of several well-matched, interacting parts that contribute to the basic function, wherein the removal of any one of the parts causes the system to effectively cease functioning.
Is IC real'y evidence of design
If i remove the glass from my window it isno longer functioning as a barrier, tough it still functions as a look trough hole. So my window is not designed?
Edited by frako, : No reason given.

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frako
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Message 134 of 377 (608117)
03-08-2011 6:27 PM
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03-08-2011 6:05 PM


IC systems are designed
System A is not an IC system
Therefore system A was not designed
Classic example of denying the antecedent.
Ok then name and IC designed system and il show you how removing a part never removes the functionality at best it changes its functionality ergo there are no ireducibly complex systems

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frako
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Message 141 of 377 (608126)
03-08-2011 6:56 PM
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03-08-2011 6:49 PM


ok is a car engine irreducibly complex then ?
Sure looks like it but it is not not. By the definition of IC, why well i can remove lots of parts, and it still would serve its primary function, and it would always have a function there is no such thing as IC system.
lets try the cars engine can i remove a piston? Yes i can the engine will run on fewer pistons, unless its a one piston engine, in that case it would serve as a grate paper weight. It would always has a function so there is no such thing as IC.
Edited by frako, : edited for slaveques pleasure

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frako
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Message 142 of 377 (608127)
03-08-2011 6:58 PM
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03-08-2011 6:51 PM


lol ok mouse trap lets remove the metal thingy that holds the snaping thingy cocked whitout that the former mouse trap functions grate as a tie clip so it still has functionality not IC and nothing is.

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