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Author Topic:   What IS evidence of design? (CLOSING STATEMENTS ONLY)
Briterican
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Message 69 of 377 (607873)
03-07-2011 3:39 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by Taq
03-07-2011 11:15 AM


Taq writes:
"If it could be proved that any part of the structure of any one species had been formed for the exclusive good of another species, it would annihilate my theory, for such could not have been produced through natural selection."--Chapter 6, "Origin of Species", Charles Darwin.
I'm curious about this one. I have no doubt that this is an accurate quote, but my first thought was "what about symbiosis?" - so I googled the quote... and guess what... I came across numerous creationist sites using this very idea (symbiosis vs this quote) as evidence of the defeat of Darwinism.
As I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer, I wonder if any of you could explain to me how this is NOT related to symbiosis, OR, why Darwin would revise said quote were he alive today?
And... to stay on topic...
Having seen this argument come up sooooo many times, I question the very use of the word "designed" as an adjective. All the definitions are inadequate to answer this debate. It's like we need to split the word into two versions, one meaning "designed by an intelligent agent" and the other "ordered and structured".

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Briterican
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Message 73 of 377 (607879)
03-07-2011 4:14 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by NoNukes
03-07-2011 4:03 PM


NoNukes writes:
Or looked at another way, is it truly impossible to explain symbiosis using the theory of evolution? If not, then either Darwin is being misinterpreted or Darwin was simply wrong.
This is perhaps worthy of new topic status. I'd be curious to see the responses from those very knowledgeable participants that excel at answering these sorts of questions.
Unfortunately to pursue it to any great extent here would be to take us off topic.
Having reviewed the thread again, despite numerous valuable points, and a couple of examples of what might constitute evidence of intelligent design, I don't think anyone has actually answered the primary question from the OP...
jar writes:
So what exactly is this "Evidence of Design" that Creationists and Intelligent Design marketeers assert is there?
The only one that comes to mind for me is the idea of "irreducible complexity", which has been completely and utterly demolished.
I think the fact that nobody on the creationist side has directly answered this simply query is evidence that the ID marketeers are falling down on the job.

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