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Author Topic:   How did Evolution produce Symmetry?
zephyr
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Message 11 of 73 (62185)
10-22-2003 4:33 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Darwin's Terrier
10-22-2003 7:29 AM


Re: Harmony, Symmetry, Proportion my arse
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Oh yes Philip, I entirely concur. I freely accept that design "strongly infers" an "awesome Maker". The only problem is that the designer strongly inferred it is an incompetent idiot and a sadistic bastard. That, matey, is the "glorious truth" about this designer.
WOW.
Had a lot of fun reading those, especially the second.

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zephyr
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Message 20 of 73 (62347)
10-23-2003 11:04 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by defenderofthefaith
10-23-2003 5:06 AM


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For example, if eyes evolved from light-sensitive cells, why didn't these cells pop up all over the place?
If our heads were covered with eyes, we wouldn't have a skull to protect our brain. Every time we got hit in the head with something remotely sharp, we could die.
Having two little holes for our optic nerves is a big risk. It is mitigated by the advantage of having visual input to direct us. Just a trade-off between physical protection and a sensory system.
Do you purposely avoid finding explanations for the way things are? It seems you're arguing from incredulity here, an incredulity that wouldn't last long in the face of open-minded inquiry.

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zephyr
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Message 42 of 73 (67045)
11-17-2003 10:40 AM
Reply to: Message 41 by defenderofthefaith
11-17-2003 5:36 AM


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What about the artists responsible for, say, the Easter Island carvings? We cannot see, touch or hear them, and (as far as I know) we have no evidence for their existence apart from their art. Yet we still infer their work is the product of intelligent design.
But we have reasons for that inference.
We have the surviving inhabitants of the island, some of whom have demonstrated at least partial knowledge of the processes by which their ancestors carved and transported the moai. We can gather used toki (stone adzes) by the hundreds at the foot of the slope where unfinished moai still lie, and refuse pits and oven remains indicate the presence of many human workers. We also have history since the first Western arrival (Roggeveen) where the natives lost the social organization to produce them, and each clan turned to knocking down the other's statues, demonstrating their significance to the people (as each represents a specific dead ancestor and was presumably commissioned by him/her while they were alive). In short, we do not just take somebody's word for it, nor do we pull our ideas out of thin air. We can see material evidence of the processes involved in creating the art.
Can you cite some evidence of processes used by an intelligent designer to create a specific organism?

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