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Author Topic:   How did Evolution produce Symmetry?
Abshalom
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Message 58 of 73 (73057)
12-15-2003 5:26 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by ChildOfGod2516
12-15-2003 5:22 PM


Quote: "If it's part of natural selection, then why is it that no one has found any fossils that have more legs on one side or more eye sockets on one side, or something like that? Wouldn't there at least be fossils? Isn't it more likely that we'd find at least some fossils that were not very symmetrical than it is that all the symmetrical fossils that have been found were found." CoD-2516
Does it have to be a fossil, or will the several species of flatfish like flounder suffice?

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Abshalom
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Message 60 of 73 (73068)
12-15-2003 5:54 PM
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12-15-2003 5:44 PM


Re: Flatfish
Q: "How would flatfish "champions" reconcile their favored species' evolutionary path of asymmetry with that of Information Theory?"
A: To survive by filling a niche.
S: "Your positions on other points have been established."
Q: Are you talkin' to me?
Q: "Does I.T. preclude their asymmetry?"
A: No.
Q: "Tell me, what do *you* think??"
A: I think I.T. is just another way of expressing the economy of nature.
Now, tell me how a Sassafrass tree with its three distinctly and differently shaped leaves fits into *your* theory of I.T.?
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Abshalom
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Message 62 of 73 (73077)
12-15-2003 6:07 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by ChildOfGod2516
12-15-2003 6:00 PM


Asymmetry would be the product of necessity outweighing practical economy.

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Abshalom
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Message 66 of 73 (73101)
12-15-2003 7:05 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by ChildOfGod2516
12-15-2003 6:30 PM


An asymmetrical adaptation for the purposes of assuming a niche and thereby taking advantage of an opportunity for survival does not necessarily mean "that the (asymmetrical) animals ... would die ..."
Rather I am saying that if the asymmetrical animal (or plant) successfully assumes certain non-symmetrical features for purposes of protection/survival, that those species would continue to specialize with those features and in that niche.
I supplied two examples: The flatfish (an animal) and the Sassafrass tree (a plant) that have successfully developed asymmetrical features.
Rei answered the "most of which would become fossils" misconception.

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Abshalom
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Message 67 of 73 (73107)
12-15-2003 7:15 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by ChildOfGod2516
12-15-2003 7:03 PM


Re: Asymmetrical individuals not being able to move very fast or adeptly.
Okay, COD, you may be onto something here. Maybe, just maybe, an asymmetrical individual would not have the motor coordination of a symmetrical individual, and when trying to escape an onrushing primordal mudflow from the Deluge would spin, sputter, flop, and flounder out of control and fall over the edge of the flat earth and once outside the razor thin field of gravity would caroom into outer space!
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Abshalom
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Message 69 of 73 (73113)
12-15-2003 7:24 PM
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12-15-2003 7:21 PM


COD:
Your homework and subsequent success in education is far more important than your participation in this or any other discussion forum. Do not this discussion interfere with doing well in school. Peace.

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