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Dr Adequate
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Message 381 of 468 (631282)
08-31-2011 10:48 AM 		Reply to: Message 374 by Just being real
08-31-2011 5:50 AM

Re: Too many competing experiences
1. Is there a God?
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Apparently not.
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A. Does it agree with known history?
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No, in spades.
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B. Does it agree with known science?
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No. This is why on the numerous occasions where it conflicts with known science, you either have to deny the science (as with the Flood) or explain that the Bible doesn't mean what it says (as with the pillars of the Earth).
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C. Is it prophetically accurate?
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Of course not.
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D. Does it contradict itself?
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Yes.
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Conclusion: Out of all the religions and religious writings of the world, only the Bible stands up to the four stage test.
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You should read the Book of Dr Adequate.
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Message 382 of 468 (631287)
08-31-2011 11:12 AM 		Reply to: Message 376 by Just being real
08-31-2011 7:18 AM

But over in the 4th chapter of that same book he gives us a glimpse of the kind of thing they have had to face for the sake of their eye witness testimony. He says they go hungry and thirsty, beaten, homeless, poorly clothed, being defamed, defiled, and persecuted, and finally they have become men who are a spectacle to the world who are condemned to die.
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He says this of himself, a non-eyewitness.
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Passed down traditions seem to support these texts. Peter is said to have been crucified upside down. His brother Andrew was crucified spread eagle. Philip was martyred at Hieropolis. Bartholomew was flayed or skinned alive, and then beheaded in India. Thomas was speared to death near Madras. Matthew and James, son of Alphaeus, both martyred. Jude and Simon the zealot were both hacked to death. And Paul is said to have been beheaded.
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Passed down traditions say a lot of things.
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We also have the writings of a non-Christian Jewish first century historian, named Josephus, which described the stoning of "James the brother of Jesus" which dates around 93 AD.
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For claiming to be an eye-witness to the resurrection? This isn't mentioned.
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There are the writings of a non-Christian Roman first century historian, named Tacitus, which described the Christian persecutions by Emperor Nero.
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Tacitus wrote his Annals c. 116 A.D, which is the second century and eighty years after the crucifixion, and he does not say that anyone was put to death for claiming to be an eyewitness to the resurrection. In fact, he says that the Christian superstition was "checked" by the crucifixion, which would hardly have been the case if it had been followed in mere days by the resurrection.
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And there are the writings of a first century Roman governor, named Pliny the Younger ...
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... who was actually governor of Bithynia from 111-113 AD, which is the second century and eighty years after the crucifixion. Any eyewitnesses to the resurrection would be thin on the ground by that time, and he does not in fact say that he put anyone to death for making such a claim.
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08-31-2011 4:28 PM 		Reply to: Message 369 by Just being real
08-31-2011 2:43 AM

Flood Thread
Wow, now you just opened up a whole other can of worms. This is one of my favorite topics, and I can present tons of evidence for a global flood. However I'm afraid that the sysops would probably scold us if we discussed it here. Is there a thread you would be willing to discuss the topic in more detail?
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Flood Thread For "Just being real".
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You're welcome.
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Message 386 of 468 (631321)
08-31-2011 5:12 PM 		Reply to: Message 385 by Just being real
08-31-2011 5:00 PM

Re: Detecting Intelligent Agency Where There Is None
Just FYI "A" and I (dr. left out intentionally) ...
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Since I have a Ph.D, and you are a creationist, that is at least consistent with your modus operandi.
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... have a "colorful" past (to put it politely) and I no longer have anything to do with him nor do I bother ever to read a single thing he types.
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Yeah, round here if you want to avoid the truth you have to start by avoiding me.
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08-31-2011 5:48 PM 		Reply to: Message 385 by Just being real
08-31-2011 5:00 PM

Re: Detecting Intelligent Agency Where There Is None
Just FYI "A" and I (dr. left out intentionally) have a "colorful" past (to put it politely) and I no longer have anything to do with him nor do I bother ever to read a single thing he types. If he raised any issues that you find valid, you or someone else would have to literally re-post it for me to ever even see it.
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I've looked at his previous posts, and it turns out that I have proved him wrong before. I don't see that I did so in a "colorful" way, but I guess I'm just a colorful guy.
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08-31-2011 6:46 PM 		Reply to: Message 390 by IamJoseph
08-31-2011 6:42 PM

Re: Detecting Intelligent Agency Where There Is None
Chess champs make poor war generals.
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That was very Zen.
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08-31-2011 6:51 PM 		Reply to: Message 392 by IamJoseph
08-31-2011 6:46 PM

Re: Too many competing experiences
Are there jitterbugging quarks which accidently create universes, computers and pineapples?
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Electrons are also required. Especially for the pineapples. You can't have pineapples without electrons, they just wouldn't taste the same.
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08-31-2011 7:18 PM 		Reply to: Message 395 by IamJoseph
08-31-2011 7:13 PM

Re: Too many competing experiences
Jitterbugging electrons. What music are they joving to - any idea?
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Quantum electrodynamics.
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08-31-2011 8:04 PM 		Reply to: Message 397 by IamJoseph
08-31-2011 7:40 PM

Re: Too many competing experiences
And who wrote that song.
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It's not actually a song, which is kinda where the metaphor breaks down.
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If we are speaking metaphorically, however, I am fairly certain that the "song" was not "written" by an imaginary invisible genocidal lunatic with a grudge against people who eat lobsters, wear socks made out of a cotton-nylon blend, and pick up sticks on Saturday.
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08-31-2011 8:19 PM 		Reply to: Message 384 by Dr Adequate
08-31-2011 4:28 PM

Re: Flood Thread
I have also bumped the Potential Evidence for a Global Flood thread.
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I'm a giver, y'see.
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08-31-2011 8:40 PM 		Reply to: Message 401 by IamJoseph
08-31-2011 8:32 PM

Re: Too many competing experiences
This book also declared the pig to be the only creature among trillionsof ithers which displays one unique trait: it has split hooves - but does not chew its cud. Wow - is that a lucky guess or what!?
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Hippopotami.
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08-31-2011 8:41 PM 		Reply to: Message 402 by IamJoseph
08-31-2011 8:37 PM

Re: Flood Thread
You also bumped the verse which says it was a regional flood, applicable only to Noah and his household. I think you also bumped the first recording of Mount Ararat - listed in its correct location. Is that great aerial photography or what!
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Judge not only what one says - judge also of what they do not say! A lie-by-omission is - syrprise, surprise - a lie.
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What?
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08-31-2011 9:24 PM 		Reply to: Message 407 by IamJoseph
08-31-2011 9:06 PM

Re: DON'T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU BELIEVE.
Even given that Coulter's job description is basically "shameless liar", she could have done better than that.
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08-31-2011 11:10 PM 		Reply to: Message 409 by IamJoseph
08-31-2011 11:03 PM

Re: DON'T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU BELIEVE.
Shameless liars do not include names and references as their evidence. Shameless liars forget to include pivotal verses and other shameless onlookers do not point out their errors. Shameless liars also charge any directly related evidence as off topic.
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Sadly, that may be the best defense of Ann Coulter ever written. What it lacks in content and coherence it makes up for in brevity.
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09-01-2011 12:44 AM 		Reply to: Message 412 by Just being real
09-01-2011 12:28 AM

I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings. As I don't know what username you were posting under, I shall console myself with the possibility that you were asking for it.
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