Importance of Original Sin

We are talking about whether or not original sin is important in Christianity and my position is that its only importance is as a marketing tool and threat.In you example the god you are marketing may well think that Adam and Eve disobeyed him but until they had the capability to know right from wrong god was of no higher standing than the serpent. They had every reason to "obey" the serpent.There simply was no way they could choose or even understand obey or disobey. Both were simply null concepts.

Except of course they did not suffer the consequences that the god character in the story threatened.And again, there is nothing in the story that even hints that they new of "consequences".And it still has nothing to do with sin or original sin.

Again, there is nothing in the story that implies they understood what "consequences" even mean and in this case, they made the right choice.The consequences that did result was that they learned right from wrong.There is no way anyone can sin without first being able to decide between right and wrong.Dance all you want but there is still nothing in the Adam and Eve story to show that they were even capable of sinning until after they ate from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil and the concept of Original Sun is still unimportant to Christianity, particularly as you try to market it..

But you have not yet shown why Adam or Eve should know they should obey the God character in the story or the serpent in the story.

It is not our working definition of sin but rather YOUR version that YOU market.Yet one positive consequence they gained was the ability to determine which choice they should make.Edited by jar, : No reason given.

No, it is still only YOUR working definition, not Christianity.Sorry Charlie.And again, there is NOTHING in the story that shows they would necessarily fail.And the choice is simply whether or not to do right, something impossible until after they gained the great gift of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.Nothing in the story about either salvation or damnation.Just not there Charlie.Original Sin is irrelevant to Christianity.

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4 You will not certainly die, the serpent said to the woman. 5 For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.

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Which of course is exactly what happened.Everything the serpent said was the truth and they did not die the very day they ate the fruit.But again, Original Sin is simply not important for Christianity.Edited by jar, : fix quote boxes

Which of course is exactly what happened.Everything the serpent said was the truth and they did not die the very day they ate the fruit.But again, Original Sin is simply not important for Christianity.Edited by jar, : No reason given.Edited by jar, : fix quote boxEdited by jar, : fix quote box

It came from experience and learning.No god need apply.

They do, and they learn from it, and so do all of us great apes.And it still has nothing to do with the silly Original Sin concept.

HUH?There is no mention of "Spiritual Death" in the story or of some "pain of his spiritual death " in the story or of any wrenching from the proper connection with the divine life and health-giver in the story or "screaming, torn spiritual nerve endings" in the story.

Yet none of that is in the story.

Perhaps Paul simply never read the story just as today many Christians never read the Bible.Or maybe he was simply creating a new religion and making stuff up.Yet none of that is in the story.

Adam and Eve would have to be able to know that it would be right to obey God and wrong to obey the serpent.Until after they ate gained the ability to tell right from wrong from eating the fruit, they did not have the capability to know they should obey.Original sin is only important as a marketing tool and a total cop-out for some chapters of Club Christian and is not important to Christianity itself.Edited by jar, : hit key too soon.

Sorry but that is simply nonsense.Man does not die because of Adam's sin, in fact there is not even any evidence that Adam sinned in Genesis.