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hooah212002
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Message 135 of 1198 (634418)
09-21-2011 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 133 by iano
09-21-2011 10:58 AM


Re: Creation Story and Original Sin
That could have been some time after the serpent made his suggestion.
When was he with her? The text/context implies that he was with her when she initially ate it. But a literal reading doesn't say at what point he came to her side, now does it?

"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square

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Message 137 of 1198 (634422)
09-21-2011 11:55 AM
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09-21-2011 11:44 AM


Re: Creation Story and Original Sin
You seemed to be assuming he was with her when the serpent was talking to her.
Because it's the most obvious choice, mainly since it doesn't say anything like "then adam comes walking over and sees eve talking to a snake". Instead, the very next sentence says "who (adam) was with her", which implies he was with her when the event in the preceding sentence took place.
This is the problem with the bible, and something that has reared it's head on EvC recently. It's far too open to interpretation, yet people take it as a literal truth. So open to interpretation is it that you cannot even tell people they are wrong. Every reading is just as valid as the next.

"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square

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hooah212002
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Message 139 of 1198 (634432)
09-21-2011 1:58 PM
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09-21-2011 12:31 PM


Re: Creation Story and Original Sin
If your view rests on assuming the one over the other then it stands on sandy ground and is subject to being washed away. There is no problem so long as you don't stand too much on sandy ground.
I don't care one whit. I don't rest anything on any part of your holy book because it's all fairy tales. However, since we are in bible study, we are investigating the stories as written. So, if you want to assume that a whole bunch of time passed in one sentence, with no written indication that any time has passed, be my guest. Like I said: you are free to interpret your book however you see fit.

"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square

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Message 142 of 1198 (634438)
09-21-2011 3:36 PM
Reply to: Message 141 by Straggler
09-21-2011 3:20 PM


Re: Creation Story and Original Sin
Put someone in a room with a big red button marked "danger", tell them that something terrible will happen if they press that big red button and you can bet your arse that they will dwell on it, ponder over it and then press the big red button of doom.
But ICANT sells a genesis where there was no such thing as death before they ate the fruit. Hell, he even thinks animals could talk before that fateful event. So from that, we gather that they didn't even know what death was. You, me and all speakers of english know what "danger" means and that it's bad. It would be more like a big red button that said "hasa diga eebowai".

"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square

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hooah212002
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Message 145 of 1198 (634447)
09-21-2011 5:37 PM
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09-21-2011 5:28 PM


Re: Creation Story and Original Sin
..I'm not assuming anything. I'm pointing out that you are.
Not so much assuming but reading and comprehending.

"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square

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