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Message 7 of 82 (649698)
01-25-2012 7:06 AM


This is an oldie, but I enjoy reading it every so often.
Why Can't I Own a Canadian?
October 2002
Dr. Laura Schlessinger is a radio personality who dispenses advice to people who call in to her radio show. Recently, she said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22 and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The following is an open letter to Dr. Laura penned by a east coast resident, which was posted on the Internet. It's funny, as well as informative:
Dear Dr. Laura:
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to follow them:
When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15:19- 24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?
I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?
A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?
Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?
I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.
Your devoted fan,
Jim
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Tangle
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Message 35 of 82 (654846)
03-05-2012 6:58 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by mike the wiz
03-05-2012 6:44 AM


Re: X
mike the whiz writes:
So you say there is no real wrong, no objective wrong, and then say the bible is wrong. Why? Why is your wrong, wrong, rather than my wrong?
It's wrong because we've become civilised; we're no longer primitive tribal societies living short and brutal lives. We've developed our secular laws from a foundation of fairness and equality of rights and we're still improving them.
You know slavery is as wrong as I do and you certainly know that beating a slave such that he doesn't quite die on the day of the beating breaks the golden rule in all manner of ways. Why pretend otherwise?

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Message 42 of 82 (654855)
03-05-2012 7:35 AM
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03-05-2012 7:11 AM


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mike the wiz writes:
My actions do not sound, "morally special" but those actions of righteousness ensure that a baby can't be aborted( murdered), whereas you would just have some nice-sounding words, such as "pro-abortion"
What you call morality is very special indeed because it's not based on what you think or feel is wrong or what our society believes to be wrong; it's based on what a particular ancient book tells you is wrong.
This results in you being forced to defend the indefensible - the keeping and beating of slaves in this particular case. You can't tell me that slavery is a wrong because, as you say, you can't lie; but you know it's wrong nevertheless.
You need to ask yourself how and why you know slavery is a wrong if your book tells you that it isn't. Then you need to ask yourself why I, as an atheist, can have almost identical feelings about lying, fornication and abortion as you do. (And to that list you can add theft, rape and murder etc etc too).
How can that be do you think? Suppose you'd been born in the Atlas mountains and never been introduced to the bible. Would slavery still be wrong?

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