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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hi Mr Jack
Over forty years ago, when he was a child. It's fucking bullshit to bring it up now. Do you really think he has changed? Do you think behavior in those years do not signify deeply held biases? Of course Schrubbia was a bully too ... Enjoy.by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hi Jar
The character of of kid is not relevant when looking at the adult. He was old enough to drive a car and make adult decisions. The child that tortures cats and dogs is exhibiting behavior that is not relevant when they become a sociopathic murderer? Formative behavior patterns tend to mold the person. Sociopath Warning Signs | Healthfully
quote: Page not found | Sandra Rose
quote: Those are the first two google hits on sociopath childhood Personally I think bullying is sociopathic behavior that cannot just be brushed away because it was long ago. Also see waking you up - psychopathic bullying | psychopaths who bully | murder by suicide | puzzling people
quote: I think it says a lot about how Mitt does business ... who admits that he likes to fire people ... Enjoy. Edited by RAZD, : added Edited by RAZD, : qsouteby our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Hi Mr Jack
Do I think he has changed? No, I don't. I think Romney was scum then and scum now. And his behavior? or does he still bully?
However, I think people can change, and in order for people to be allowed to change we have to assume they can and be willing to let the past rest. I also know that a great many people did shitty things in high school. They also have to be shown that they need to change. Apparently he was not even reprimanded or ostracized in any way for his behavior, rather he had a bunch of cohorts that helped, giving him reinforcement and reason to think it was proper behavior.
Forty years, RAZD, it's a very long time to still be paying for one's mistakes. You are assuming that bully behavior stopped at 18, an age old enough to be drafted ... Enjoy.by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Hi Mr Jack
I'm saying that if you want to use the past against him you need to dig up incidents from when he was not a child. And I could say that you need to provide evidence that he had reformed, that he changed. Personally I think the onus is on Romney to show that he has reformed, that there was a turning point that he can point to where he realized that the behavior was wrong. I don't see that with his response to this issue. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hi Rahvin,
The vast majority of childhood bullies are not, in fact sociopaths. Bullying is not itself a "sociopathic behavior." It's morally reprehensible, ... psy•cho•pathnoun a person with a psychopathic personality, which manifests as amoral and antisocial behavior, lack of ability to love or establish meaningful personal relationships, extreme egocentricity, failure to learn from experience, etc. Can you show me a bully that has empathy for their victims, that thinks beating people is moral or socially acceptable behavior? Yes it may be possible for mild cases to learn that the behavior is wrong, but they need to be put in a situation where they need to learn to alter their behavior. No psychological change can occur without a perceived need to change. And there appears to be a higher number of psychopaths in the top economic positions than there are in the general public: Are Rich People More Psychopathic? - Big Think
quote: 5 times more common??? Forbidden
quote: Do you think that a person who claimed to like firing people has empathy for them?
A story of childhood bullying some 40 years past would not be sufficient to cause me to not vote for a man...but his continued stance against equality for homosexuals is, and this story acts as nothing more than additional confirmation that Romney's homophobia likely runs very, very deep. Personally I think that is the tip of the iceberg of his behavior regarding other people, it just happens to be the most visible at this time, and it certainly does not appear that he has ever had any kind of epiphany in this regard to think his behavior was ever wrong. Enjoy. Edited by RAZD, : ..by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hi Taz,
How old are you? I'm pretty sure you're not the same person you were 50 years ago. 1965 was my senior year at an exclusive high school in Michigan -- but one where admission was based on intelligence rather than money. As a youth I was a boy scout, and as an adult I've been a scoutmaster. My politics were radical liberal, progressive before it was called progressive, as they are now. Yes, I've learned a lot of information since then, but my behavior towards other people is not significantly different.
Just read your last post. I see your point... I'll think about it. And I also look at the way he responded to the allegations, and how that fits the pattern of the pathology ... Enjoy.by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Hi Coyote,
Is this the correct place to bring up Obama's admitted high school drug abuse? In 1965 well over half of the students in my school smoked pot, myself included. I also know of parents that smoked pot. Curiously, I do not consider pot smoking to be abuse when the effects are less addiction than cigarettes and the high is no different from alcohol, tending to be less violent if anything. I do not see that smoking pot made a person harm another person, nor that it harmed me in any way, and I am still in favor of legalizing pot. But I can count the number of bullies in my class with one finger. And I know that he harmed other people. Curiously, I am not in favor of legalizing bullying. Are they really comparable behavior? Enjoy.by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hi Mr Jack
Loads of people are involved in bullying. ... So that makes it okay ... ?
You, RAZD, have engaged in behaviour here - on EvCForum - that could be described as bullying. ... If you stretch the definition perhaps, and I could ask you for an example ... But not a physical attack that defaced anyone or altered the way a person looked, an attack that left lasting psychological scars decades later. This was not a high school prank, it was viscous and intentional.
It's bad behaviour, but nearly everyone has engaged in it at one time or another. Your definition must be different from mine. Enjoy.by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Hi Coyote,
According to Obama's book, it was not just pot. So he freely admitted it of his own accord, volunteered the information before running for president.
I am trying to point out to you your comment about later acknowledging the incorrectness of that behavior. I see your comment as indicative of a double standard. And Mitt has YET to admit to improper behavior -- he first denied it, then dismissed it as a "prank" and continues to equivocate, adjusting his story as he goes (like he does on all his positions ... ). Did Obama intentionally hurt someone? Mitt did. Do I see a double standard? Yes, that you claim that these are comparable incidents. Enjoy.by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Hi Jon,
Forty years is a long time to 'still be paying for one's mistakes'? But he isn't - he hasn't had to do any "paying" yet. Enjoy.by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Hi Coyote,
Yes, I see a double standard there. If find it curious that you do not see a distinct difference between a person who freely admits to a certain behavior, without pressure ... ... and a person who first denies, then dismisses as a prank which he doesn't remember, after being exposed by several witnesses ... ... between a person who acknowledges bad behavior and that he has changed (heck he even gave up cigarettes eh) ... ... and someone who ... I have said should show that he has changed behavior.
Message 34 me: Personally I think the onus is on Romney to show that he has reformed, that there was a turning point that he can point to where he realized that the behavior was wrong. Curiously, you pointed out that Obama did this in his book, but have not shown that Romney has even begun to discuss this with the seriousness that it should require, especially today when bullying is beginning to see much long needed attention. Yes your standard is doubled. Enjoy.by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hi Blue Jay
Honestly, tacking on "with a deadly weapon" kind of comes off as an attempt at sensationalism. What he did was bad enough already: there's no need to try to make it sound like attempted murder or something. If he had used a knife to cut the hair would it be different? Remember that intimidation is a part of bullying. But I agree that murder was not part of the intent -- injury was, whether physical or mental is irrelevant. Enjoy.by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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