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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Well that's what you said, that they kept calling foul when you charged them. No, that's not what I said.
I thought you meant they upset you because in street ball you don't call fouls you just take the charge like a man. The weaklings called foul and the next play got charged harder. I did not say that either. I simply said that I did not like people who attempted to call offensive fouls. That would be regardless of whether any contact was or was not an offensive foul.
hen he was 18! Christ who didn't lie and bully a few weaker dudes when they were that age? Who gives a shit. The American political system is a joke because of issues like this. Maybe you were a bully as a teenager. You are free to give Romney a pass on his behavior then and now. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison
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onifre Member (Idle past 2981 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined:
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Great, but Mitt Romney isn't running to be the President of 40 years ago, he's running to be the President of 2013. Yes...
And plenty of people 40 years ago never formed a mob to assault a kid Once again more word play bullshit. Him and some friends tackled a dude and cut his hair. That's what happened.
In fact, the vast majority of people did not do that. I once gathered a mob to pants someone.
And in particular, Barack Obama did not do that. No, his current record as president is of greater offense.
A President who had, 40 years ago, formed a lynch mob to kill a black man... Stop it...
I don't have any problem restricting the office to those whose sense of equality and social justice has been ahead of the curve. That's fine. But realistically, our opinions at 18 can change over the years. So much so that you can champion a cause with even greater concern having once known the true nature of being opposed to it. It's called maturity, you should get some. - Oni
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onifre Member (Idle past 2981 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined:
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Maybe you were a bully as a teenager. You are free to give Romney a pass on his behavior then and now. I'm more concerned with Romney belonging to a church that not so long ago denied black people the right to join. What he did as an 18 year old with some friends hazing the odd kid is really bogus as a worry. No more of a concern than the amount of women he lied to to get in bed. To focus on this is petty. - Oni
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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What he did as an 18 year old with some friends hazing the odd kid is really bogus as a worry. No more of a concern than the amount of women he lied to to get in bed. To focus on this is petty. So why does Romney feel the need to lie about a non-event. My issue is primarily his current refusal to acknowledge that the event even happened.
I'm more concerned with Romney belonging to a church that not so long ago denied black people the right to join. You are mistaken about exactly what abhorrent policy the LDS used to have towards blacks. But in any event, this thread isn't really about listing all of Romney's flaws.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison
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onifre Member (Idle past 2981 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
So why does Romney feel the need to lie about a non-event. He said he forgot about the event, why do you assume he's lying?
My issue is primarily his current refusal to acknowledge that the event even happened. I get that. But like I said, if it is him saying "I forgot" just to squash the subject, since it was when he was 18, I can see past it. It should never have been made an issue.
You are mistaken about exactly what abhorrent policy the LDS used to have towards blacks. But in any event, this thread isn't really about listing all of Romney's flaws. Yeah I admit some ignorance on the subject of the LDS but it was omething to the effect of not allowing black members for reasons I assume are not so nice. - Oni
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined:
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Him and some friends tackled a dude and cut his hair. That's what happened. Right, and that's assault and battery with a deadly weapon. We're not overstating anything at all; what Romney did was incite a mob to commit assault and battery with a deadly weapon. It's just that simple. There's no "safe" way to hold somebody down and cut their hair off with scissors; somebody kicks this way or bucks that way, and those scissors might have winded up in that kid's eye socket. That's why the crimes of assault and battery exist - it's actually not ok to do stuff like that, because of the risk of injury.
Stop it... Just hypothetical. Your two criteria for dismissing the event were that it happened 40 years ago, and that it represented popular attitudes towards minorities at the time. But that's not an excuse. Some things are wrong no matter what people thought at the time.
But realistically, our opinions at 18 can change over the years. What's the evidence Romney's have changed? This seems to be, in fact, the only thing he's never changed his mind about.
So much so that you can champion a cause with even greater concern having once known the true nature of being opposed to it. And it's your contention that Romney has now become a champion of gay rights? What's your evidence for that?
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member
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Him and some friends tackled a dude and cut his hair. That's what happened.
Right, and that's assault and battery with a deadly weapon.
Doesn't that depend on the scissors? Here's two extremes:
I wouldn't count those pink ones as a "deadly weapon".
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4046 Joined: Member Rating: 8.3 |
Those pink ones wouldn't cut hair.
And did plastic safety scissors exist 40 years ago?The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it. - Francis Bacon "There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers A world that can be explained even with bad reasons is a familiar world. But, on the other hand, in a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity. — Albert Camus "...the pious hope that by combining numerous little turds ofvariously tainted data, one can obtain a valuable result; but in fact, the outcome is merely a larger than average pile of shit." Barash, David 1995.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Those pink ones wouldn't cut hair. They usually have metal on the inside edge like this:
And did plastic safety scissors exist 40 years ago? I dunno. I'm not saying he used safety scissors, and we all know he would never touch pink ones... I'm just saying its not so cut-n-dry as definately being assault with a deadly weapon
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Does anyone think that this story might actually cost Romney any votes?
Will it not actually solidify his base and maybe even increase his support?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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ooh-child Member (Idle past 374 days) Posts: 242 Joined: |
This particular event? Probably not. But, as some of us have been saying, it points to his woodeness, his sense of entitlement.
Even James Lipton is offering coaching advice to Mittens. How To Act Human: James Lipton's Advice For Mitt Romney | Crooks and Liars I think Romney should take it.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
But even that sense of entitlement pays directly to his likely voting audience.
I would not be surprised to find out that his campaign committee didn't leak the story.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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onifre Member (Idle past 2981 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined:
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Right, and that's assault and battery with a deadly weapon. Maybe in nerd court. Or it could just be some dudes cutting your hair in man the fuck up court.
what Romney did was incite a mob to commit assault and battery with a deadly weapon. It's just that simple. Your fancy lawyer talk don't scare me.
There's no "safe" way to hold somebody down and cut their hair off with scissors; somebody kicks this way or bucks that way, and those scissors might have winded up in that kid's eye socket. Dude you sound like a mom. Were you ever fucked with as a kid? I once got choked out by a dude in the park cuz he wanted to show everyone that the sleeper hold worked and I was the smallest one there. I'm not going to call that attempted murder.
Your two criteria for dismissing the event were that it happened 40 years ago, and that it represented popular attitudes towards minorities at the time. Fair enough.
What's the evidence Romney's have changed? This seems to be, in fact, the only thing he's never changed his mind about.
Well, I don't know if you can say that just because he doesn't support gay marriage. My mom doesn't support gay marriage. But I would think he would not cut some White House intern's hair with a group of friends these days just because they are dressed different.
And it's your contention that Romney has now become a champion of gay rights? What's your evidence for that? No not at all. Just that an 18 year old can change to the point of being able to champion the very thing he once hated. Seemed like you were fixed on the opinion of an 18 year old not being able to change. - Oni Edited by onifre, : No reason given.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined:
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Maybe in nerd court. No, in real court. I don't understand someone who thinks it's cool, or whatever, no big deal, to get a mob to tackle a guy, hold him down, and wave a fairly dangerous sharp object around his face and eyes. Is it some kind of "no harm, no foul" to you? Because it turns out, the guy actually was harmed by it.
I once got choked out by a dude in the park cuz he wanted to show everyone that the sleeper hold worked and I was the smallest one there. I'm not going to call that attempted murder. I didn't say Romney was guilty of attempted murder. I said that he committed an assault with a deadly weapon, because that's what happened. You were assaulted, too. Dudes in the park shouldn't just come up to you and choke you out. That's not something that it's ok for people to do, Oni!
Well, I don't know if you can say that just because he doesn't support gay marriage. My mom doesn't support gay marriage. Yeah, but your mom's a bitch.
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onifre Member (Idle past 2981 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined:
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No, in real court. Nerd court.
I don't understand someone who thinks it's cool, or whatever, no big deal, to get a mob to tackle a guy, hold him down, and wave a fairly dangerous sharp object around his face and eyes.
I didn't say it was cool or not a big deal, I'm saying it's not assault with a deadly weapon unless you're just being a punk about getting roughed up by some stronger dudes in a fucking PREP school. Please.
You were assaulted, too. Dudes in the park shouldn't just come up to you and choke you out. That's not something that it's ok for people to do, Oni! Didn't say it was ok, I said it's not attemted murder. The dudes are a metaphor for life and the choke is the unfair shit that happens to us. Lesson learned. Thanks tough hispanic kids at the park.
Yeah, but your mom's a bitch. Nicely done. - Oni Edited by onifre, : No reason given.
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