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PaulK
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Message 106 of 193 (697695)
04-29-2013 2:04 AM
Reply to: Message 101 by Just being real
04-29-2013 1:19 AM


Re: Thoughts on human evolution
A full reply to this would be off-topic but I think that a high degree of skepticism of the claims in your post is certainly warranted as many give little context, none are referenced and some are certainly false.
Really it deserves a thread of its own. That is, if you can actually muster a real case which would require rather more support than you manage here. (And if you can't the that would speak for itself).

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Message 115 of 193 (697704)
04-29-2013 4:28 AM
Reply to: Message 112 by Just being real
04-29-2013 4:03 AM


Re: Thoughts on human evolution
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And finally, here is a list of some publishing’s from the time period that seem to make the 500 claim more likely than dishonest as you imply.
Perhaps you would like to support that claim with referenced quotes. Because it looks to me as if you are just trying to bury the evidence under a pile of links.
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Moving on, I am sure you think that none exist, so let me ask you a question. Why does a site that is famous for knocking creationists and intelligent design proponents (Wikipedia) also even admit that there were at least 250?
It doesn't- which may be why you didn't provide the quote. Here's what it says:
The examination and debate over Piltdown man caused a vast expenditure of time and effort on the fossil, with an estimated 250+ papers written on the topic
Papers need not be - and usually aren't - doctoral dissertations. as should be perfectly obvious to anyone who spends a moment's thought on the matter. Note also that it does not estimate how many of those papers were against Piltdown, although the very presence of a debate suggests some controversy. In fact by my reading Piltdown was considered irrelevant by many even before it was exposed, and certainly some of the papers must have been arguing that.
Wikipedia again:
However, over time the Piltdown man lost its validity, as other discoveries such as Taung Child and Peking Man were found. R. W. Ehrich and G. M. Henderson note, To those who are not completely disillusioned by the work of their predecessors, the disqualification of the Piltdown skull changes little in the broad evolutionary pattern. The validity of the specimen has always been questioned.

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Message 122 of 193 (697723)
04-29-2013 9:47 AM
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04-29-2013 9:24 AM


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Lol! Okay, so I guess you guys really showed me huh? The fact that I said "doctoral dissertations" when I probably should have just said "PAPERS" totally destroys my whole point.
Copying someone else's error is bad enough. Claiming that you had evidence to support it - in ways that look like an attempt to deceive - is quite another. Even the figure you got from Wikipedia was evidence against your claim.
And this is only one of the problems with the post that sparked this discussion.
And I think the fact that acceptance of Piltdown was far from universal in the scientific community is an issue that needs to be mentioned.
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And if that is true how exactly does that also undermine the fact that the public was deceived by Piltdown man along also with Pithecanthropus, Sinanthropus, Homo Habilis, Australopithecus, Ramapithecu, and Neanderthalensis?
Because there can't be more errors in your post? So far as I recall Ramapithecus is the only problematic one in that list, and even that was only a mistake.
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Cause I'm not seeing the relevance, with the exception of a sad attempt at making me look bad as opposed to having anything really substantial to speak to the point I was making.
How do you know that you haven't uncritically copied other falsehoods ? How many have you checked with reliable sources ? And as I pointed put above you've done far more to make yourself look bad than anyone else. Nobody forced you to claim to have support that you didn't have. You did that all by yourself.

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