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Tangle
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Message 142 of 193 (698118)
05-03-2013 9:15 AM
Reply to: Message 138 by Just being real
05-02-2013 9:00 PM


JBR writes:
I’ve been asking for an example of observed mutation that added new never before existed information to the chromosomal DNA of any multi-celled organism that gave it a selective advantage over its relatives.
How bed bugs have developed immunity to insectacides.
Pyrethroid insecticides target the sodium channels within the insect nervous system. Point mutations in the sodium channels, termed the kdr mutations, reduce or eliminate the binding affinity of insecticides to sodium channels causing insecticide resistance6. Two mutations, V419L and L925I, in voltage-gated sodium channel α-subunit gene had been identified as very important substitutions responsible for deltamethrin resistance in bed bugs21, 30. A causal link between one or both mutations and deltamethrin resistance was reported21. A dual-primer Allele-Specific PCR (dASPCR) approach was developed to identify these two kdr mutations. Two PCR reactions performed with Susceptible Allele-Specific Primer (SASP) and Resistant Allele-Specific Primer (RASP) primers conclusively show status of kdr mutations (Fig. 2A)
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Tangle
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Message 153 of 193 (698181)
05-03-2013 4:02 PM
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05-03-2013 11:28 AM


JBR writes:
This sounds like a possible winner. Unfortunately something is wrong with your link and I couldn’t view the paper. I will research it and get back with you.
Try this:
Bed bugs evolved unique adaptive strategy to resist pyrethroid insecticides | Scientific Reports

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Message 184 of 193 (698721)
05-09-2013 3:05 AM
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05-09-2013 2:20 AM


JBR writes:
First I want to draw your attention to the fact that this is not a case of observed added new information that never existed before. As I suspected prior to reading the paper, this is a case of observed pre-existing information being selected to become dominant in a group or population.
So when you read this:
Pyrethroid insecticides target the sodium channels within the insect nervous system. Point mutations in the sodium channels, termed the kdr mutations, reduce or eliminate the binding affinity of insecticides to sodium channels causing insecticide resistance6. Two mutations, V419L and L925I, in voltage-gated sodium channel α-subunit gene had been identified as very important substitutions responsible for deltamethrin resistance in bed bugs21, 30. A causal link between one or both mutations and deltamethrin resistance was reported21. A dual-primer Allele-Specific PCR (dASPCR) approach was developed to identify these two kdr mutations. Two PCR reactions performed with Susceptible Allele-Specific Primer (SASP) and Resistant Allele-Specific Primer (RASP) primers conclusively show status of kdr mutations (Fig. 2A).
...with it's talk of point mutations, you reckon they're not mutations? What are they then? Where did they come from?
A mutation can occur in the insect’s DNA which makes the site that DDT attaches to, less specific
So a mutation CAN occur? Now I'm confused.
A mutation can occur in the insect’s DNA which makes the site that DDT attaches to, less specific (loss of information), preventing the DDT from binding to its intended site and rendering the insect immune to DDT.
So if I have a word 'CHAIR' and I lose the letter "H" to get the new word "HAIR" no new information has been created?

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