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Author Topic:   Are we all descendants of Adam and Eve?
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Message 22 of 376 (707118)
09-23-2013 4:59 PM


Just Adam
Since Eve was just a clone of Adam it would be better to just say we are all descended from Adam.

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Message 28 of 376 (709123)
10-21-2013 6:45 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by jaywill
10-21-2013 6:40 PM


Re: Not sure what's going on ...
Too funny.
jaywill writes:
What would you say about the Apostle Paul's phrase "the first man Adam ..." (1 Cor. 15:45) ?
That once again Paul was either ignorant or he was speaking idiomatically and using commonly known myths.
Edited by jar, : appalin spallin

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Message 32 of 376 (709127)
10-21-2013 7:38 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by jaywill
10-21-2013 7:27 PM


Re: Not sure what's going on ...
Well, the former is easy to prove. Humans were around and spread all over the world before Adam or Eve existed.
So that leaves the alternative which is using mythos to make a point.
And yes, of course I don't think there was a "first" man, rather there has been a spectrum of critters that very gradually evolved into what we call a human. The "first" man is simply an arbitrary point we select and use loosely and imprecisely.

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Message 34 of 376 (709131)
10-21-2013 9:01 PM
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10-21-2013 8:37 PM


Re: Not sure what's going on ...
No, it is NOT my belief, it is the conclusion based on the evidence.
No belief needed.

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Message 39 of 376 (709169)
10-22-2013 8:42 AM
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10-21-2013 10:57 PM


Re: Not sure what's going on ...
It is a conclusion based on ALL of the evidence.
What the evidence shows is that life is a succession of evolving critters, each only slightly different than its parents.
As the Bible says, MAN names the beasts and that includes even man.
We can pick one point in evolutionary history and call it "first" BUT that is only valid based on some set of characteristics and no more valid than some other point we call "first" based on a different set of characteristics.
It's not a weakness of science rather an acknowledgement of reality and truth.

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Message 41 of 376 (709178)
10-22-2013 9:32 AM
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10-22-2013 9:16 AM


Re: Not sure what's going on ...
Again, that depends on which of the myths you are pointing to in the Bible.
And the evidence is that man is no more unique than any other critter.
jaywill writes:
I think the reasons for that are more related to the desire to be absolved from moral obligation. It is only one of a number of methods (including some religious) that men seek to quiet their conscience concerning their sins.
And that is just another example of you being wrong yet again. The biggest cop outs regarding "their sins" are the bullshit called Original Sin and the con job of "Are you Saved?"

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jar
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Message 43 of 376 (709184)
10-22-2013 10:02 AM
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10-22-2013 9:52 AM


Re: Not sure what's going on ...
How come there is no other being on the planet exactly like or even close to a human being ?
Oh good grief.
Because they are not humans?
How come there is no other being on the planet exactly like or even close to a cheetah?
How come there is no other being on the planet exactly like or even close to a bonobo?
I mean dolphins and chimps are neat. But it is unrealistic to believe that any other living thing on the earth can be classed with a human being.
I mean humans are neat. But it is unrealistic to believe that any other living thing on the earth can be classed with a T-Rex.
I mean humans are neat. But it is unrealistic to believe that any other living thing on the earth can be classed with a Sequoia.
See how silly that post of yours was, how totally free of any content.

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jar
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Message 47 of 376 (709223)
10-22-2013 6:20 PM
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10-22-2013 6:06 PM


Re: Not sure what's going on ...
What kind of post modernist despair is this that a man cannot recognize that humans are light years ahead of cheetahs, cockroaches, crab grass, and water buffaloes ?
You heard of the search for extra terrestrial intelligence SETI. How come they aren't spending the millions to search for say watercress or monitor lizards? Why is it the Search for Intelligence ? Something special about intelligence ? Why isn't it SETU - Search For Extraterrestial Unintelligents ?
According to you something along the line of a cheetah would be just as exciting.
Can you really be as dense and ignorant as that post suggests.
First, yes, Extraterrestial Unintelligents would be every bit as exciting, and we are actively searching for just that, or did you miss our devices we have sent to the moon, Mars, Venus, Mercury, the outer planets.
And to claim post modernest despair just makes you sound silly.
The reason that SETI looks for "Intelligence" (which is not what SETI relly looks for) is that it was pretty silly to look for signs of watercress across interstellar distances. However today we have better technology and Yes Virginia, we do look for signs of life, intelligent or not.
Why not the Search For Extra Terrestial T-Rexs then funded by millions of dollars ?
If we found two planets - one with just huge amounts of crab grass and another with cities, flying machines, televisions, and government, which do you think scientists would be more interested to go visit ?
No difference, right ?
Again, that is simply a really stupid question. Scientists would be equally excited by either scenario.
So we find a planet filled with Sequoias and another filled with an Internet like technology, which do you think the people of earth would be more interested in ?
The people of earth are generally ignorant and apathetic, and would likely rather someone make a reality TV show about them; maybe Real Housewives of Andromeda.
But which the people would be more interested in is irrelevant.
How silly your false humility is. Mankind is unique on the earth.
Sorry if you from some sense of false humility, you cannot honestly admit that.
Every species is unique on the earth. Sorry if your false pride keeps you from admitting that.

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jar
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Message 50 of 376 (709253)
10-23-2013 8:15 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by jaywill
10-23-2013 7:44 AM


Re: Not sure what's going on ...
Given that we discovered two planets, one with only large lizard like creatures and another with advance civilization, what would scientists likely do ?
I think for sure both would be exciting. I don't imply that the dinosaur world would not be exciting. But I'm certain that scientists would be far more interested in traveling to the one where there were intelligent beings like humans.
When NASA sent out the Voyager space craft they included the recordings of human beings and a diagram of human beings. How come they didn't send duck feathers or the sounds of dogs barking ?
Again, you are simply showing your ignorance but that hopefully can be cured.
There is far less need to travel to any technologically advanced world and lots of reasons not to. As an exercise try to figure out three major reasons that is true.
Second, when NASA sent out the Voyager probes they did include pictures of animals and sounds of animals and drawings of hydrogen atoms and oxygen atoms and diagrams of our solar system and many other artifacts.
But those were all just freebees, stuff that was likely a waste of time and that no one ever expected to really be seen; but the additional costs were so low it made sense to include them.
Realism understands that we are on one hand A creature like many others, whom we should appreciate. Yet at the same time realize that we are in some way on a higher plane of consciousness, a higher plane of life really.
Word salad. Sorry but that is just jabberwocky. Higher plane of consciousness? Higher plane of life? Well when on a Southwest flight the latter might be true but in general that is just nonsense.
AbE:
Here is the information about the sounds that are on Voyagers Golden Record
Edited by jar, : see AbE

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jar
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Message 54 of 376 (709293)
10-24-2013 10:01 AM
Reply to: Message 53 by jaywill
10-24-2013 9:49 AM


Once again, an exercise for you in thinking.
There is far less need to travel to any technologically advanced world and lots of reasons not to. As an exercise try to figure out three major reasons that is true.

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jar
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Message 57 of 376 (709297)
10-24-2013 10:40 AM
Reply to: Message 55 by jaywill
10-24-2013 10:15 AM


Re: Not sure what's going on ...
jaywill writes:
Tell me. Why don't we elect a German Shepherd dog for president ?
A dog has smelling skills far advanced of what a human can detect. How come we don't elect a dog for US president ?
For the same reason that dogs do not elect a human as their President.
And again, just what the hell does any of your nonsense and rabbit holes have to do with the topic?

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Message 58 of 376 (709298)
10-24-2013 10:53 AM
Reply to: Message 56 by jaywill
10-24-2013 10:19 AM


Re: Once again, an exercise for you in thinking.
Again, for scientists there would be no difference. Which the general public thinks is more interesting is pretty much irrelevant.
Now, will you try to answer the question?
quote:
There is far less need to travel to any technologically advanced world and lots of reasons not to. As an exercise try to figure out three major reasons that is true.
jaywill writes:
"Ho hum. No difference" right ? Do you hate humanity ?
I am human and so while I do hate much that humanity does and has done, I don't hate humanity.
But I am also honest and so realize that in many ways humans are inferior to other critters, less successful than other critters, particularly the other great apes like the gorilla.

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Message 61 of 376 (709303)
10-24-2013 11:15 AM
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10-24-2013 11:13 AM


Re: Not sure what's going on ...
And that's fine. I can't imagine why your opinion of me should carry any weight. But perhaps, you might try actually addressing some of the issues raised.

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Message 63 of 376 (709305)
10-24-2013 11:25 AM
Reply to: Message 62 by jaywill
10-24-2013 11:18 AM


Re: Once again, an exercise for you in thinking.
Wrong and terribly elitist.
I think you're mostly a terribly arrogant elitist with lots of buddies nearby.
Again, I have absolutely no problem with you thinking that.
But perhaps you might actually address the issues raised and even if possible address the topic.
Edited by jar, : appalin spallin

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Message 67 of 376 (709311)
10-24-2013 2:02 PM
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10-24-2013 1:59 PM


Re: Not sure what's going on ...
In fact if you asked a biologist what is the most successful organism on our planet, they'd probably tell you it's a microbe.
Or a cockroach.

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