Importance of Original Sin

If the god character did think it was a sin, then the god character was simply wrong. If that was the case then the god character was just plain stupid. Correct. The god character in the story was wrong to charge Adam or Eve with the transgression based on eating the fruit. That should be one of the first clues that the story really has nothing to do with god or obedience.Satan is not even in the story so I have no idea why (actually, I do have an idea, you have never actually read the story) you bring Satan up. But in the story it is the serpent who tells the truth and the God character that lies.And Satan only does what God tells Satan to do. Satan is God's servant. Learn to read what is actually written.

If I respond to this question will you read through my next sermon ?

It's a very awkward question isn't it? That's why you keep catching yourself out.

I deal with tough questions all the time.
Tough questions to me are like left over hot dogs.

It's not at all tough - in fact it's very simple, but it is awkward for you guys that like to quote but not think. That's why you have to evade it like this.

This is one of your pet sermons that you continually bring up, but it makes no sense.If the serpant is not satan, who in the heck is the serpent, and why would the Creator of all seen and unseen need to lie while a lowly snake "told the truth" as you assert?Add by Edit: I looked on the internet and found others who use the line of logic that you do. Predictably in comes from an atheist/agnostic forum here. This is one argument that I literally don't like. I don't like how people accuse God of lying. A God character that lies and needs to be corrected by humans is a pathetic and sad god. Plus it suggests that we ourselves need to think for ourselves...effectively becoming our own gods. Pathetic and sad all around, in my opinion...and deceiving.Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

It's not what I assert, it is what the story actually says.Have you ever actually read the story?Do they die the very day they eat from the tree? Do they become more like God and get their eyes opened? Again Phat, it's not what I assert it is what the story actually says, what is written.They ought to be a clue that Genesis 2&3 are not about creation or God and sure as hell not about Jesus or Satan.The serpent is ... a serpent; another plot device for the "Just So" story.It's about people, about why we fear snakes, why we have to farm and not just hunt and gather like the other animals, why we wear clothes unlike any other critters, why we build a moral society, why childbirth seemed more painful for humans than for other animals and most importantly, why women must be subject to the men.The same can be said about Genesis 1; it's not about creation, it's about why there is a seven day week and a Sabbath.The issue is why do so many Christians seem unable to actually read what is written and instead seem to believe what the Nees and Lees and all the other snake oil salesmen claim the stories mean?

I dont agree with your theology. I suppose you will than say that Jesus came to teach us how to be responsible, and not to save us from our sins. You hung around too many Jews as a kid...their cultural ideology tainted your christianity. And of course go figure...they dont think we need a messiah either.

What the hell does any of that have to do with what I said or more importantly, what the stories actually say?And remember, Jesus was a Jew not a Christian.

You have mentioned this matter of evading a number of times. But I labored to be as clear as I could. Now my understanding could be right or it could be wrong.No atomic bomb there.I don't mind studying how to answer that question more. I am in no hurry. I have a number of projects that have lined up to further study.I don't count my interpretations as infallible. I believe the Scripture is infallible. My interpretations are not infallible.Now since you did evade replying whether you would or would not read my next sermon, I see you preach but don't practice yourself.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

And remember this Jew was the Son of God.
Correction: This Jew IS the Son of God.When Jesus the Jew said that the Pharisees were of their father the devil (John 8), He was remarking on the evil nature of sin from the beginning of mankind in Genesis.This argues for the sin nature being inherited by men. Those who gave in to it in opposing the Son of God received a stronger rebuke. But the diagnosis actually includes all of descendents of Adam.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

Oh, crap jaywill.Sin nature is a joke, word salad, meaningless, of no relevance. And no, that passage from whoever wrote nJohn has nothing to do with the evil nature of sin from the beginning of mankind. You're just making shit up or repeating what other just made up.But your posts do garner a laugh, well maybe only a chuckle.

That seems to be basically the philosophy of some people. Its hard to dignify such warped understanding with serious consideration.I am not sure what can be taught to recover someone's mind from being that far plunged into spiritual darkness.Well, Jesus said that Satan was a liar from the beginning. Surely, He meant from the beginning of man as read in Genesis.

If we compare two passages in early Genesis we can see that on the negative side, there is a continual downward decline of morality.The start -

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"And God saw everything that He had made, and indeed, it was very good. " (Gen. 1:31)

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The finish -

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"And Jehovah saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

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And Jehovah repented that He had made man on the earth, and it grieved Him to His heart." (6:5,6)

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Between these two passages we read of the sliding downward from the high heights of creation to the judgment of the flood, the sin nature injected into man eating him up.There are also high points though in Abel, Enosh, Enoch, and Noah along the way.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

Cheer up jar.