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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
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Darwin's Terrier Inactive Member |
This entire room seems totally ignorant of the basic claims of neo-Darwinism and Creationism - just basic stuff that is 101. Oops, looks like we’ve been found out guys! Holy crap, I’d not realised I was so ignorant! Let’s see... I have read, from cover to cover (though not retained or understood it all of course!), Douglas Futuyma’s Evolutionary Biology. I have severely dipped into the textbooks by:Skelton (Evolution) Ridley (Evolution) Gilbert (Developmental Biology) Alcock (Animal Behavior) Wilmer et al (Environmental Physiology of Animals) Raven (Biology of Plants) Barnes et al (Invertebrates) Brock Biology of Microorganisms Bush (Parasites) Alberts (Cell Biology) Lewin (Genes VII) Brown (Genomes) Begon et al (Ecology) Eckert (Animal Physiology) Barrett et al (Human Evolutionary Psychology) Klein (Human Career) Aiello & Dean (Human Evolutionary Anatomy) Lewin (Human Evolution) Benton (Vertebrate Palaeontology) ... I’ve probably forgotten a few, my shelves are at home, where I’m not. Plus the Cambridge Encyclopedia of Human Evolution and Oxford UP’s ‘New’ Encyclopedias of Mammals, Insects, Reptiles & Amphibians, and Birds I have also read a large number of books by authors such as S J Gould, Daniel Dennett, Richard Dawkins, Carl Zimmer, Ernst Mayr, Steve Jones, John Maynard Smith, Jonathan Weiner, E O Wilson, Richard Fortey, Lynn Margulis, Jared Diamond, Mark Ridley, Matt Ridley, John Gribbin, Peter Medawar, Robin Dunbar, Richard Leakey, Ian Tattersall, Carl Swisher et al, Pat Shipman et al, David Raup, David Attenborough, Terence Hines, Lewis Wolpert, Michael Shermer, Carl Sagan, Nicholas Humphrey, Harry Greene, Bruce McFadden, Alan Turner... hell, I can’t remember them all without looking. And I’m attempting Jenny Clack. I’ve also read Futuyma’s Science on Trial, Philip Kitcher’s Abusing Science, Tim Berra’s Evolution and the Myth of Creationism, large chunks of Talk Origins, and all the creationism-relevant bits of the bible. And I have been discussing these things with creationists for over five years. Okay, I’m ignorant of both neodarwinism and creationism, if you say so. Perhaps, then, you could tell this ignorant EvC-101-deficient fool what he’s missed? Perhaps you could tell us what sources you are using for your own ideas please? Just so we can understand each other, of course. TTFN, DT [This message has been edited by Darwinsterrier, 12-12-2003]
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
I think, as in the following defined, science is atheistic.
Atheistic - Without thesis; Without considerations of God; Independent of considerations of God; Is neither pro-theistic nor anti-theistic. Unfortunately, Willowtree's definition, and the common definition of "Atheistic" is taken to be "anti-theistic". It's all in how you define "Atheistic". Moose ------------------Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment. My big page of Creation/Evolution Links
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Rei Member (Idle past 7043 days) Posts: 1546 From: Iowa City, IA Joined: |
Does this mean that I should put the missing isotopes back?
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
Yes, you should.
...Rei? All of them. I see that one behind your back.
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Quetzal Member (Idle past 5902 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
What? You think we didn't know all this? You have an ever-developed sense of your own ability to keep a secret. "Two people can keep a secret, as long as one of them is dead."
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roxrkool Member (Idle past 1019 days) Posts: 1497 From: Nevada Joined: |
quote:It seems WILLOW's sources are: 1) Professor Huston Smith author of "Why Religion Matters;" 2) Daniel Harbour author of "An Intelligent Persons Guide to Atheism;" 3) the best preacher in the world, Dr.Gene Scott; and 4) Richard Milton, the non-creationist challenger of the ToE. Maybe you need to read these instead of what you've obviously wasted years reading. [This message has been edited by roxrkool, 12-12-2003]
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roxrkool Member (Idle past 1019 days) Posts: 1497 From: Nevada Joined: |
So who's going to travel the world and tell all the other scientists the gig is up?
ME ME ME ME!!!! Perty pleez!
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
Okay, but only because I approve of your Greg Rucka iconery.
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roxrkool Member (Idle past 1019 days) Posts: 1497 From: Nevada Joined: |
Yeah, I'm going to NZ! I'll need about a month or two. shhhhhhhh.....
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3976 Joined: |
I think it's time to wrap up this topic. I will look at closing it tonight.
Adminnemooseus ------------------Comments on moderation procedures? - Go to Change in Moderation? or too fast closure of threads
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Quetzal Member (Idle past 5902 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
True enough. However, this probably isn't the best topic to argue that semantic point. Aren't there a couple of threads where we all went 'round and 'round about the definition of atheism?
I'm taking Willow at face value on what he means - I'm assuming that he's using the common-usage anti-theist definition. Which, of course, is far away from the process of science.
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9004 From: Canada Joined: |
Dan writes: Okay, it's not funny. Actually, it is! Thanks again for producing smiles yet again.
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zephyr Member (Idle past 4580 days) Posts: 821 From: FOB Taji, Iraq Joined: |
quote:I find that a remarkably appropriate (and hilarious) choice of words.
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wj Inactive Member |
Admoose
I think willowtree should be given a chance to prove his bona fides. He has said that he will provide his "scientific evidence" against the theory of evolution. Since this was supposedly the purpose of the thread and he has not done so yet, I think he should be given the last opportunity rather than closing down the thread prematurely. O2U willowtree.
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roxrkool Member (Idle past 1019 days) Posts: 1497 From: Nevada Joined: |
My thoughts are that WILLOWTREE thinks he has provided that evidence, but everyone else is too stupid/ignorant/blind to see it. WILLOWTREE doesn't know what scientific evidence is and that's the problem.
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