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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4
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Please tell us what provoked Cromwell to massacre people in Drogheda and Wexford. What was the provocation that made Cromwell responsible for the deaths of almost 50% of the Irish population?
Why is the Washington Post biased? Because it does not agree with what you want to be the truth? If you cannot find any sources to back up your claims it may be that your claims are not valid. To claim it is because of Catholic propaganda is delusional and I would say probably a sing of some mental health issues. Please give list of atrocities that make it ok for a christian to order a massacre.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
You did not address my post. Here it is again.
me writes: Please tell us what provoked Cromwell to massacre people in Drogheda and Wexford. What was the provocation that made Cromwell responsible for the deaths of almost 50% of the Irish population? Why is the Washington Post biased? Because it does not agree with what you want to be the truth? If you cannot find any sources to back up your claims it may be that your claims are not valid. To claim it is because of Catholic propaganda is delusional and I would say probably a sing of some mental health issues. Please give list of atrocities that make it ok for a christian to order a massacre.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
In the Revolutionary War the US declared its independence in writing but it didn't take any military action, that was initiated by the British
Please explain how you get to this determination. The British faced an illegal, armed militia.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
You really shouldn't discuss issues you are utterly ignorant on.
When did the American colonies declare independence? 1776 in case you were home schooled. When was battle of Lexington and Concord? April 19, 1775. So no they had not declared their independence. They were in open rebellion against their legitimate government. Again explain why the American colonies were ok to rebel, but the Irish were not. Also evidence for the Irish murdering thousands that disagreed with them, thus deserving the atrocities visited upon them. P.S.You might want to do research before you spout crap about history. I think there are a few of us that know a bit more than you. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
So basically this
Faith writes: They had declared their independence and they were ready to defend it. Unlike the Irish Rebellion they hadn't murdered thousands of people who disagreed with them. and this
Faith writes: In the Revolutionary War the US declared its independence in writing but it didn't take any military action, that was initiated by the British, who I suppose could have claimed they were simply quelling an illegal rebellion. Is not only untrue but just bullsht your were spouting that you know you can not defend. I should start counting how many arguments you don't defend. Well I guess it would probably be all your arguments.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
but they had NOT taken any military action Have you studied any history? Standing armed in front of the British troops is military action.
murdered thousands of Protestants as the Irsh Rebellion had Still waiting for the explanation and evidence on this.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
It truly is amazing how you condemn any catholic violence, but justify all protestant violence. You have a total unwillingness to look at the actual facts behind the history of Ireland.
Did you not support James interpretation of the divine right of kings on another thread? Why are you not supportive of that right by other kings? Your blanket dismissal of English violence against the men, women and children of Ireland is truly abhorrent. But not surprising considering the amorality you have expressed in the past.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
That is correct sorry. You have a very odd view of this. That it wasn't a divine right of kings, but that kings needed to get back authority that the pope some how had taken from them.
It all boils down to1. Catholics bad Protestants good 2. Conqueror goodTrying to throw off conqueror bad 3. American Revolution GoodIrish revolution bad See 1 4. If Protestant vs Protestant violence than one side(decided by Faith) is obviously not true Protestant. 5. Winner is always good. Unless of course they are not Protestants, then the Jesuits were behind it. Anything else we need to add to Faith's rules of history? BTW, have you even tried reading anything about Irish history to learn the reasons for the Irish rebellions?Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
I'm not interested in getting into the complexities of irish history. Too much
Of course not, because that would destroy your simplistic arguments.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
The reality is in the thousands,
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
The comparison was with millions of witches executed by the RCC.
I will say again. Not true. Provide scholarly evidence for this or quit saying it.
quote:Spanish Inquisition - Wikipedia See wiki page for sources. The sources used data from original sources, not ravings of idiots and lunatics. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Read the sources. Present your sources.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
His sources are not scholarly sources. Looking at them none of them seem to use any original source material. He is an anti-catholic using other anti-catholic writings as a source. All this paper is is a rehash of other anti-catholic writings. He repeats the writings unquestioningly. None of it is based on original source material.
He is a computer professor, he has no training or expertise in historical research. It is amazing that no historian has presented such an interpretation of catholic killing of protestants. He is hatemongering nothing more. We have discussed this dreck on another thread. No need to rehash your inability to actually back up the figures with original source material.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4
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The Spanish Inqusition was not a part of the Catholic Church. It was an office of the Spanish Crown. So the same argument you have for Henry holds for the Spanish Inquisition.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Faith will claim anyone deemed heretic before the Protestant reformation, were in fact Protestants, so therefore they qualify as examples.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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