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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 302 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Should there be a law against public institutions that lie for money?
Religions and many charitable organizations of all stripes make their revenues by lying to people. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJ9oBCLwwL0 The Great British rake-off... what really happens to the billions YOU donate to charity: Fat cat pay, appalling waste and hidden agendas | Daily Mail Online Should we help protect the gullible by eliminating all the fraud that is being passed off as religion and charity? Those who do not believe the lies being sold by religions and charities are presently subsidize the tax exemptions and credits that religions and charities enjoy. What they save in taxes, non-believers and those who actually want to give to charities must fork up. I am not what most would call a non-believer, I am a Gnostic Christian, but still resent my hard earned tax money being used to perpetuate what most know are lies. If you are a non-believer, or one who wants your charitable donations to actually be used for charity, I hope you feel the same and do not like being fleeced the way the gullible are. There ought to be a law against institution like religions and bogus charities that live off of lying to the gullible. http://www.washingtonpost.com/...re-than-82-5-billion-a-year Do you agree? RegardsDL
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Thread copied here from the Should there be a law against public institutions that lie for money? thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Gia writes: There ought to be a law against institution like religions and bogus charities that live off of lying to the gullible. Fortunately in the US that would itself be illegal as well as utterly stupid.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
There ought to be a law against institution like religions and bogus charities that live off of lying to the gullible. Just by way of example, are you prepared to point to any particular church official and demonstrate that he does not believe whatever it is that he is offering to his flock. Because quite obvious, the fact that what he says disagrees with what GIA believes is at most evidence that one of the two of you is a fool. It is not evidence that either person is lying. Further, although on EvC we may talk mostly about the Establishment Clause, but the Free Expression Clause surely prevents the state from inquiring into the details of the tenets of a religion. I kind like that state of affairs. Accordingly, I am willing to tolerate the existences of church whose beliefs are contrary to my own or to the expectations of GIA. Your mileage may vary. Not available in all states. Some limitations apply. etc. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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Jon Inactive Member |
Because quite obvious, the fact that what he says disagrees with what GIA believes is at most evidence that one of the two of you is a fool. Just one of them? Love your enemies!
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Should there be a law against public institutions that lie for money? The problem is that lying is difficult to prove\demonstrate as it involves the intent to deceive - so if the teller believes it is true there is no deceit, no lie. You can have a law against providing false information for money -- that is called fraud. False information can be demonstrated: if someone claims to have a degree and you can show that the degree doesn't exist ... If someone claims the earth is less than 10,000 years old you can show that there are tree rings that show a greater age ... If this "information" is sold or exchanged for money then fraud has been committed.
There ought to be a law against institution like religions and bogus charities that live off of lying to the gullible. Can you protect people from being fools? Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 302 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
jar
So much for doing unto others. How is protecting the gullible from priests, imams and other liars posing as charities against the law? Is fraud not illegal in your location? RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 302 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
NoNukes
Christians believe that babies go to heaven. They also believe that most will sin and get on that wide road to hell instead of the narrow path to heaven. Most priests should then advocate abortion and baby killing as a way to insure that the majority instead of the minority get to heaven. If they truly believed what they preach, that would be the moral thing to do, yet they do not do what is best for the majority, --- because they do not believe their own dogma. IOW. Priests and imams are liars and con men. RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 302 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
RADZ
Yes you can protect someone from being a fool. That is what fraud laws do. The I.D. court have already judged that Christianity lied in trying to put creationism in schools so there are limits to the lies that society will tolerate. I just think a stronger message should be sent as Christians obviously are too stupid to get the politically correct one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dtC052f9A4 Are we not our brothers keeper and should we not follow the golden rule and try to protect the gullible from religious con men? RegardsDL
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Well it seems you are even ignorant about the meaning of basic English as well as totally ignorant about basic human rights in the US.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
Since fraud is already illegal, what changes are you proposing? Is fraud not illegal in your location? Edited by ringo, : Punchuation.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Christians believe that babies go to heaven. They also believe that most will sin and get on that wide road to hell instead of the narrow path to heaven. Most priests should then advocate abortion and baby killing as a way to insure that the majority instead of the minority get to heaven. Well, no. Even if a priest accepted that most will sin, the priest might well believe that the few who will not are worth waiting to see. But that's just one possible thought process. The priest might also believe that killing prior to sin is evil. Doubtlessly there are other thoughts and scenarios under which a priest might not advocate killing. Perhaps the priest simply thinks that the 10 commandments are valid and that advocating killing is immoral. In any event, this is yet another thread in which your loony logic fails and with that failure comes the meaningless of the entire thread. I surely wish that more time was spent vetting this nonsense before approval.
The I.D. court have already judged that Christianity lied in trying to put creationism in schools so there are limits to the lies that society will tolerate. Sigh. It is also the case that the Dover trial did not involve any determination of whether any theology was correct or incorrect. In fact the state is prevented from making such judgments. Instead the issue was whether there was an attempt to insert religion into a science class. Now if you can show me a ruling that prevents the same teaching from being offered in Sunday School, then perhaps you have an example for which we can establish precedence. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
You can have a law against providing false information for money -- that is called fraud. Probably still requires an intent to deceive if you want to do anything more than simply make the person stop nroviding the information. Fraud requires an intent to deceive about something material to the transaction. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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GIA writes: he is just onceagain showing his ignorance. The I.D. court have already judged that Christianity lied in trying to put creationism in schools so there are limits to the lies that society will tolerate. Christianity and Christian Clergy have always been at the forefront opposing Creationism in public education and I have pointed that out to GIA on several instances. Yet again, here is the Pastoral Letter issued by Bishop Sims back in 1981. Here is an excerpt from that document.
quote: GIA seems totally incapable of even investigating the very basics of the subjects he attempts to rant about.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Tangle Member Posts: 9512 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
GIA writes: Christians believe that babies go to heaven. Christians believe whatever they like. Catholics have the (evil) concept of limbo where babies go that haven't been baptised - neither heaven nor hell. The last pope thought he might do away with that notion, but never got round to it so I guess it still exists. I mean really, wtf?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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