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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Blue Jay Member (Idle past 2728 days) Posts: 2843 From: You couldn't pronounce it with your mouthparts Joined:
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Hi, Jar.
jar writes: I'm continually amazed that such questions and issues even come up. When peoples acts or beliefs or behavior or dress or intonation has absolutely no effect on my beliefs, behavior, dress or intonation why would or should I care whether it is a matter of choice, genetics or some combination of both. You're right, who needs knowledge when you can have ignorance instead?-Blue Jay, Ph.D.* *Yeah, it's real Darwin loves you.
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coffee_addict Member (Idle past 507 days) Posts: 3645 From: Indianapolis, IN Joined:
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It depends on how you want to acquire the knowledge.
My dad, for example, make a guess with no basis in reality and believe it for all time. Example. Years ago he started believing that white people have freckles because they eat potatoes and black people are black because they eat corn. To this day, he still believes these things.If you say the word "gullible" slowly, it sounds like oranges. Go ahead and try it.
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Jon Inactive Member
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All I'm saying is we should all refrain from trying to come up with explanations for what we observe. Really; this statement just floors me.Love your enemies!
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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All I'm saying is we should all refrain from trying to come up with explanations for what we observe. Sorry, but that's how science works. Nothing at all wrong with trying to come up with explanations. But just making stuff up does not work, and acting on the wrong erroneous explanations might well prove to be harmful.
he reason I dispute your attempt at explaining why some gay men sound gay is because I happen to know for a fact that my ex would hate your explanation. Presumably that would in part be because the explanation was wrong. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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Blue Jay Member (Idle past 2728 days) Posts: 2843 From: You couldn't pronounce it with your mouthparts Joined: |
Hi, Lammy.
Lammy writes: It depends on how you want to acquire the knowledge. My dad, for example, make a guess with no basis in reality and believe it for all time. For sure: one certainly has to complete the investigative process. Otherwise, I'm not sure on what basis they could be calling their conclusion "knowledge." And this is certainly a criticism of Faith that's fully justified. She doesn't finish the investigative process: she just reasons to a comfortable conclusion, then digs in her heels.-Blue Jay, Ph.D.* *Yeah, it's real Darwin loves you.
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coffee_addict Member (Idle past 507 days) Posts: 3645 From: Indianapolis, IN Joined: |
NoNukes writes:
I really wish you had read my other posts where I also said we should leave these things to the experts of their respective fields. Otherwise, we're just making things up.
Sorry, but that's how science works. Nothing at all wrong with trying to come up with explanations. But just making stuff up does not work, and acting on the wrong erroneous explanations might well prove to be harmful. Presumably that would in part be because the explanation was wrong.
Her explanation was wrong because she's just making sh*t up as she goes along, which is pretty much how non-experts do it.If you say the word "gullible" slowly, it sounds like oranges. Go ahead and try it.
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coffee_addict Member (Idle past 507 days) Posts: 3645 From: Indianapolis, IN Joined: |
Jon writes:
It floors you only if you read my statement in a vacuum. Really; this statement just floors me. Please go back and reread my previous posts where I suggested we leave these things to experts that have done proper investigative work on the respective topic. Otherwise, we're just making things up as we go along.If you say the word "gullible" slowly, it sounds like oranges. Go ahead and try it.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
I really wish you had read my other posts where I also said we should leave these things to the experts of their respective fields. Otherwise, we're just making things up. Perhaps you should not say 'all' or 'everybody' when you don't really mean any such thing.
Her explanation was wrong because she's just making sh*t up as she goes along, which is pretty much how non-experts do it. That's only part of the answer. Most likely she is wrong because there are countless explanations and she is insisting on a single one that probably pays little to no role. Not even an expert would be able to opine on a specific person to assign a reason without examining the person and their history. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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Jon Inactive Member |
Please go back and reread my previous posts where I suggested we leave these things to experts that have done proper investigative work on the respective topic. Do you think that makes it better? Edited by Jon, : No reason given.Love your enemies!
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coffee_addict Member (Idle past 507 days) Posts: 3645 From: Indianapolis, IN Joined: |
Do you like posting one loaded question after another?
If you say the word "gullible" slowly, it sounds like oranges. Go ahead and try it.
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anglagard Member (Idle past 867 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
I had a conversation with my daughter around a year ago concerning one of my recent hires which relates to this topic.
After introducing her to my new employee, once at the house the conversation went something like this: I said "He is a hard worker but much of that is devoted to cleaning and rearranging furniture and the like. He is like a fussy Felix Madison compared to my slobby Oscar Madison hard-drinking, cigar-chomping ways, I vote gay." My daughter said "I knew he was gay after the first sentence." Puzzled, I had to ask how. She replied that when a person makes a sentence a heterosexual male ends it at a lower pitch while a homosexual male end with a higher pitch. The opposite is true with a woman and her sexual orientation. This observation never occurred to me nor with this knowledge have I ever been able to discern it since. Guess my gaydar is dormant due to lack if use.Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
She replied that when a person makes a sentence a heterosexual male ends it at a lower pitch while a homosexual male end with a higher pitch. The opposite is true with a woman and her sexual orientation.
I have no idea whether that's true (though I doubt it). But maybe it will help me understand what this thread is really about. Ending with a higher pitch is often called "uptalk". I don't like it. It is more common among women than among men. But it is not even a majority form of speech among women. To me, uptalk makes every statement sound more like a question, and gives the impression that the speakers are very unsure of what they are saying.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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anglagard Member (Idle past 867 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
NWR writes: Ending with a higher pitch is often called "uptalk". I don't like it. It is more common among women than among men. But it is not even a majority form of speech among women. To me, uptalk makes every statement sound more like a question, and gives the impression that the speakers are very unsure of what they are saying. I feel I know what you are talking about which is obvious as in flamboyant. The phenomena my daughter was referring to is very subtle so not sure they are that comparable.Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Lammy, I merely said that people don't usually interpret family relationships very convincingly, I never claimed to know anything about the situation you described, just that you had described it in terms too general to mean much. It's possible you know all there is to know about it, or it's possible if I observed it I'd have a different take on it, who knows? Also, I haven't been focused on gay speech in any of this, but on sexual identity as such. And believe it or not most of my generalizations haven't had gay men in mind at all.
Thanks for the apology.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
And this is certainly a criticism of Faith that's fully justified. She doesn't finish the investigative process: she just reasons to a comfortable conclusion, then digs in her heels. I probably shouldn't bother answering this. People psychoanalyzing or otherwise explaining me around here are something I just have to shrug off all the time as it is. But this relates to my comments on this thread I assume, and why would you expect me to try to put forward a whole theory of sexual identity in such a context? Finish the investigative process? I'd have to interview the families in question. I have NOT said anything I treat as fixed in concrete, you are reading anything like that into very brief remarks I've made. And where are you getting "comfortable conclusion?" "Comfortable?" Do you impute that motive to everybody who tries to understand something, or just me? I may offer my reasoning in general terms because it makes sense to me. And you really ought to take into account that it doesn't matter what I say about anything here, it will be met with dozens of objections. I "dig in my heels" against the barrage of objections unless I have something more to say and in this case why would I? I'm talking in generalities and never ever claimed they describe all situations. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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