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NoNukes
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Message 121 of 165 (779607)
03-06-2016 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 115 by Faith
03-06-2016 4:38 AM


Re: explaining things
You pick out things I say and make them mean something else.
No, I did not do that. I quoted you exactly.
...does not imply I didn't know a lot about psychology, family pscyholgoy, the development of sexual identity and all that, from reading, and from practical experience among psychologists as a "paraprofessional."
Are you now making the claim to have read up on all of that and done all that? Are you claiming to be a paraprofessional in psychology? Given your unfamiliarity with writings in the field, I know you don't have the experience you are hinting at but are so far not actually claiming to have. You just think, you know what you are talking about in a way similar to the way you claim to have a 'B' knowledge in geology.
Although it is easy to find people, like Pat Robertson, who opine on how sexual identities are developed, there isn't any evidence that the factors you think cause gayness or camp gay speech actually do. So I know you did not pick up the idea because you are familiar with the literature or from any practical experience. It as as you said. What you think. Mere assertion.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 128 of 165 (779674)
03-06-2016 11:10 PM
Reply to: Message 126 by Faith
03-06-2016 4:21 PM


Re: explaining things
But what you quoted was not relevant to the point I was making
Yes it was relevant. It revealed that your personal experience with gays was extremely limited based on your own words.
I'm claiming to have read a LOT and worked with a group of pscyhologists for many years.
You claimed something like 'parapsychologist' or something like that. I know what people who are paralegals do, and it is not practice law. Surely you are not going to tell me that your experience allowed you to observe patients and reach conclusions. And you did not deal with gay people other than distantly.
Are you now claiming that you've read material that supports the propositions that I questioned in this thread? Because your carefully worded statements never get around to actually saying that or to telling me why you have a basis for knowing where the gay voice comes from.
You know what makes me hold onto my general thoughts against your research claim? The fact that my thoughts seem to be considered INSULTING to gays.
Thanks. Now I no longer have to guess about the purity of your motivation. Thanks for also confirming the actual meaning of PC.
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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 130 of 165 (779730)
03-07-2016 1:50 PM
Reply to: Message 126 by Faith
03-06-2016 4:21 PM


Re: explaining things
So, if you want me to take current research seriously, you're going to have to present it in a serious fashion.
I don't want you to take current research seriously. (And we really are not talking about anything all that modern). Whether you lean or lean not to your own understanding is up to you. If making decisions based on the evidence were your mode of operation, you would have looked the stuff up yourself at some point.
I'm not trying to convince you of anything, because I know I could never do that. I know from experience that if the stack of evidence gets too high, you are perfectly capable of simply denying it. I expect you to continue along the same lines you as you do now. Keep on thinking "psychologically" or "geologically" or whatever. I'm not trying to change you. I like you just fine the way you are.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 131 of 165 (779731)
03-07-2016 1:51 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by Pressie
03-07-2016 6:32 AM


Re: explaining things
Seriously bro? That's effed up.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 136 of 165 (779787)
03-08-2016 10:54 AM
Reply to: Message 135 by Theodoric
03-08-2016 10:46 AM


That would be valleyspeak..
Right, or perhaps just another stereotype, just a little bit further from the truth than the one that started this thread.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 140 of 165 (779846)
03-08-2016 9:48 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by Jon
03-08-2016 6:49 PM


Not entirely, no. As anglagard's daughter pointed out, the rising intonation of Valleyspeak is quite commonly associated with 'gay speech'
I think that means that you cannot actually type gay, since you cannot type with an intonation.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 148 of 165 (780054)
03-10-2016 2:32 PM
Reply to: Message 147 by Theodoric
03-10-2016 1:54 PM


Re: Yay science
Blue Jay writes:
Isn't it entirely possible that 55% accuracy
Theodoric writes:
If it is no more accurate than chance it isn't accurate.
Does that really answer Blue Jay's question. (maybe it was not intended to)
A method that identifies gay people with only a 40% success would not be accurate, but it might be of use if you were a gay person using the technique to identify potential partners while trying to avoid homophobes.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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