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Message 96 of 113 (735141)
08-06-2014 9:18 AM
Reply to: Message 95 by subbie
08-06-2014 9:07 AM


Re: Crucifixion is NOT a magic trick
Lets say it was you or I. Say we were on a rack and our bodies got pulled apart. We would suffer and die...regardless if we came back to life in a day or two or a week....the resurrection is symbolic of our lives getting redeemed...we would still experience the death.

And it would still hurt a lot. We would never forget it even if it was only a few hours out of our lives.


...."When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less."

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Message 100 of 113 (769251)
09-18-2015 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by ringo
08-05-2014 1:31 PM


Re: Ten Who Rejected Christ
Ringo writes:

Even Noah was responsible for his own salvation.
(What he should have done was jam a bunch of his broken and imperfect neighbours into the ark.)

So lets think a minute...all of the reprobates on earth drowned except for a chosen group of reprobates allowed into the Ark.

This brings up questions.

  • Does God save us(empower us, cleanse us, choose us..etc...) or do we willfully become better people...of our own initiative. If the latter, I could see the sinful neighbors being given another chance. God is the one who ordained the flood, metaphorically...to wipe out reprobates. (as well as a bunch of animals, for whatever reason)

  • Some would argue that we don't (and cant) save ourselves. In which case rescuing the evil neighbors would be pointless...

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain

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    Thugpreacha
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    Message 102 of 113 (769254)
    09-18-2015 12:34 PM
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    09-18-2015 12:15 PM


    Re: Ten Who Rejected Christ
    Sometimes you gotta do what's right, even if it's pointless.
    Who determines whats right? Lets say you were invited to a lavish party by someone who knew you rather well.

    Do you give your invitation to someone whom your host may not know?


    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain

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    Message 106 of 113 (769296)
    09-18-2015 9:09 PM
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    09-18-2015 12:45 PM


    Re: Ten Who Rejected Christ
    If the host objected to me sending a substitute, he's no friend of mine.

    This highlights the ongoing problems that you have with God. You seemingly
    insist that He revise and relax His rules...that He include all of your vagabond homeless friends on the guest list even if they curse Him to His face...and tainted by jars propaganda, you also seemingly act as if God is simply a character in a book that humans have a responsibility to rebuke.

    IF there is a Creator of all seen and unseen Who desires to draw humanity closer...is it really up to us to school God on whom to accept or reject?

    Remember what the thread is about: exchanging what He does for us with what He does to others.
    So are you suggesting that we resist accepting what He does for us and bargaining for the release of others---especially those who miss the cut? It suggests that we play God ourselves and snub our noses at the "Host" unless He allows us to bring our grungy guests with us....why not give Him the right to refuse service to whomever he wishes? Do we love people more than Him? If so, we are going against scripture...

    Matthew 10:37(ESV) writes:

    Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me


    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain

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    Thugpreacha
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    Message 112 of 113 (769457)
    09-21-2015 10:13 AM
    Reply to: Message 110 by Asgara
    09-20-2015 7:07 PM


    The Right To Refuse Service...
    OurBelovedQueen writes:

    Now where have I heard this before?

    Touche!

    I never thought about it until you brought up the obvious social parallels....I need to think more before i type.


    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain

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    Thugpreacha
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    Message 113 of 113 (790848)
    09-06-2016 4:49 PM
    Reply to: Message 109 by kbertsche
    09-20-2015 6:55 PM


    Apostle Paul Would Give Up His Spot...
    cavediver writes:


    ...if it meant that ten others destined for everlasting torment could be granted a place in heaven?
    Let's say that these ten are some of the most selfless, moral, charitable people on earth - they just happened not to choose Jesus as their saviour. Perhaps they are atheists, hindus, devout muslims, whatever - they have all heard the Christian message and rejected it for one reason or another.
    If God gave you the free choice, would you go to hell for these ten?


    The Apostle Paul said that he would have done this if it had been possible:
    quote:
    Rom. 9:3-4 For I could wish that I myself were cursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my people, those of my own race, the people of Israel. Theirs is the adoption to son-ship; theirs the divine glory, the covenants, the receiving of the law, the temple worship and the promises.


    He was convinced that his fellow Jews, no matter how sincere or devout, no matter what special privileges they had, would not get to heaven without accepting Christ.

    If we follow Paul as he followed Christ, we will have the same attitude.

    Why not just follow Jesus? This rhetoric sounds noble in principle...but one must ask why these folks rejected Christ. Any ideas?

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

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