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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
Why cure half a disease?
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Why treat a non-disease as though it were a disease?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
Religion is a disease.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Dwise, I started college at Murray State in the
Fall of 2000, at age of 47. I was required to take certain science classes, so I too biology. The head of the Biology Deptartment, who wasalso one of my instructors, and I talked often. He was also head of the Handcock Biological Station. He was quite knowlegeable. He knew that I wasn't fooled, so he leveled withme. He didn't believe in evolution, but he kept this information to himself. Those who speak out against evolution, and now"Climate change" could find themselves looking for a new job. College should be a place where people canexchange ideas, but certain ideas are taboo. If you have proof of evolution, I would like foryou to share it with us. What I think you have is nothing but misguidedFaith. Do you know that every country on earth havemyths about a global flood? Do you know that Noah's Ark had as much spaceas nearly 600 railroad box cars. Or over 400,000 cubic meters of space. In the "Epic of Gilgamesh" the ark was a cube.Can you imagine riding in that--talk about sea sickness. Noah's Ark had a design ratio of 30x5x3-LxWxH.Modern cargo ships are based on this design ratio. Dr. Sean Hong, of KRISO Research Center, inDaejeon, South Korea, performed extensive experiments on 12 hull designs. The Ark's design ratio was the optimal designfor seaworthiness; balanced stability; comfort and strength. When proportions were modified the structuresbecame prone to fracture, less stable, and uncomfortable. Dr. Hong was an atheist, and believed that lifecame from the sea.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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He knew that I wasn't fooled, so he leveled with me. He didn't believe in evolution, but he kept this information to himself. Apocryphal bullshit. I don't believe you.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
candy2 writes: Tanyptery, my point is that it does not taketens or hundreds of millions of years to create either diamonds or oil. Your point is not evidence that it does not take millions of years to produce natural diamonds and oil.
candy2 writes: You say that there might be 20,000,000 ormore species of insects. Well, I would say that this favors a creationist's point of view. Well, you would only say that because you have never studied biology or entomology.
candy2 writes: As I have already stated, no human has everywitnessed macro-evolution. Yet, you want us to believe that this has (including all intermediate steps) happened more than 100,000,000 times in the insect kingdom alone. No, as I already stated, there is no such process as macro-evolution. There is just lots and lots of micro-evolution. And there is also no such thing as the insect kingdom and I have no desires for you to believe anything.
candy2 writes: It is much more likely that an all-knowing Godcreated them, each having a design purpose. And yet, no evidence has ever been shown to support that myth, while all the evidence supports the Theory of Evolution.
candy2 writes: Again, I have no problem with people believingin evolution. That is their God-given right. My issue is with them preaching that it is a proven fact. And, I have an issue with spending tax money to teach these fairytales to kids. Yeah, but you'll be one of the first people bitching because tax funded entomologists have not figured out how to stop infestations of invasive species destroying our orchards, or forests or crops, because YOU didn't want your taxes teaching them science.
candy2 writes: Did you hear about the frog who became a prince? Are you serious? Edited by Tanypteryx, : No reason given.Edited by Tanypteryx, : No reason given. Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
AZPaul3 writes: candy2 writes: He knew that I wasn't fooled, so he leveled withme. He didn't believe in evolution, but he kept this information to himself. Apocryphal bullshit. I don't believe you. At least he didn't tell us he used to be an evolutionist and an atheist...Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3991 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
Those are interesting scenarios. Gore Vidal wrote an extended essay on how AC empowered year-round occupancy of D.C., turning the sultry, largely abandoned summer into a cool oasis where the accursed, now year-round federal bureaucracy battened
I didn't believe that story either. There just weren't that many hippies. There were many sympathizers, but they partied a bit, got laid, and moved on to conventional lives. There may have been an influx of disillusioned boomers into churches, but since religious affiliation and congregations have generally dwindled since then, I dont think boomers supercharged the megachurches. Megachurches have mushroomed in recent decades, long after the hippie era. Most hippies, from affluent suburban families, simply went back to school. Working class kids went to work or war, and fundamentalist megachurches are primarily though not exclusively working class, their financial and political base. Recently, I suspect that the influx of more prosperous whites has empowered fundy growth -- like Trumpian fascism --far more. More to the point, the notion of enormous numbers of burned out space pilots, like the psycho killer vet, is a literary and cinematic myth. Most of us turned out just fine: as recent research into treating depression suggests, we may well have benefited from our curiousity. Some Jews for Jesus, Hare Krishmas, Catholics, Methodists, and many others, even a few addled by drugs, became fundy Christians but a film documentary assertion that sounded reasonable to someone with a clear disdain for hippies won't conjure a horde that didn't exist. I'd enjoy seeing evidence. With both respect and affection, In a different but congruent circumstance, I'd say stop watching Fox news. If you'd like to identify a demographic most responsible for the social and political power of fundamentalists throughout the decades, check out white dudes, full stop. Edited by Omnivorous, : No reason given."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads." Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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candy2 writes: Those who speak out against evolution, and now"Climate change" could find themselves looking for a new job. Any biologist who denies all the evidence supports evolution should be fired. Any climatologist who denies that the evidence supports human caused global warming should be fired. More to the point, why would someone want a job as a biologist if they didn't think evolution works? Why would anyone be working as a climatologist if they didn't think the climate is changing? You don't take jobs like that unless you are a science nerd.
candy2 writes: College should be a place where people canexchange ideas, but certain ideas are taboo. I don't know about taboo, but I do not support colleges promoting disinformation, misinformation or false information. Information unsupported by evidence should not be presented as facts. Not all opinions deserve a stage. In general, the people I see trying to make opposing or fact based views taboo, are you guys. All that stuff about the ark is made up fiction that has no relevance in a discussion about evolution in a science thread. Edited by Tanypteryx, : No reason given.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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candy2 writes: Do you know that every country on earth havemyths about a global flood? Yeah, myths about a mythical flood, so what? Prove it. I have heard this general "every culture has a global flood myth" for a long time. Prove it. I bet you can't show us 10 flood myths. There is no evidence that there has ever been a global flood. There is absolutely no evidence that there has been a global flood in the last 10,000 years or indeed since humans evolved.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
candle2 writes:
It didn't "have" to take thousands of years to build Rome either - but it did. Tanyptery, my point is that it does not taketens or hundreds of millions of years to create either diamonds or oil. "I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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candle2 writes:
Well, lies are taboo everywhere, except in your church, apparently. Evolution-denial is a lie, a bold-faced lie - as Mark Twain would call it, a damned lie. Climate-change-denial is also a lie and a damned lie - damn near a criminal lie. College should be a place where people canexchange ideas, but certain ideas are taboo. "I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
AZPaul3, the Creator of everything that exist
is the member of the God family known to us Jesus. John 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, andthe Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by Him; and without Himwas not anything made that was made. Vs.14 And the Word was made flesh, and dweltamong us... Vs.10 He was in the world, and the world wasmade by Him..... Do you understand what these verses are stating? In the beginning, before the universe, even beforethe angels were created, there existed two supremely powerful Spirit Beings. One was the Word (Logos, Spokesman); the otherwas the One we know as the Father. The Father is the greater of the two. God here is from Theos, (plural). In any event, Jesus created all that is in theuniverse. Read also Eph. 3:9 & Col. 1:16. There are others,but right now I don't recall where. Gen. 1:26 records the Word (Jesus) speakingto the Father: "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness... Jesus is the One who said "Let there be light." God here is from Elohim (plural). Read what Jesus said to the Jews aboutGod, the Father: John 1:18 No man has seen God at any time;the only begotten Son...He has declared h Him. John 6:46 Not that any man has seen theFather, save He which is of God, He has seen the Father. Read also John 5:37 & John 17: 25-26. The point here is no one, according to theCreator, has ever seen the Father. Neither has any human ever heard His voice, nor has anyone seen His form. However, Adam saw God, so did Abraham,Moses, and a number of other men in the Old Testament. In fact, more than seventy Israelites sawGod at the same time. Ex. 24:9-11 Then went up Moses, and Aaron,Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel. And they saw the God of Israel. It's recorded in Ex. 33:18-23 that Moses wasAllowed to see God in all His Glory. But, Moses was only permitted to see the backside of God. Since no one has ever seen the Father, thenJesus is the God of the Old Testament. Jesus is the One who gave Moses the 10Commandments. And, Jesus is the One who led the Israites out of Egypt by day in a pillar of clouds, and at night by a pillar of fire. Want proof! 1 Cor. 10:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I would notthat you should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; And were all baptized baptized unto Mosesin the cloud and in the sea; And did eat the same spiritual meat; And did all drink the same spiritual drink:for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them; and that Rock was Christ. I will finish this post shortly. My chargerstopped working. I will buy one from the Dollar Sto
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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This fictional bullshit does not belong in a science thread.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
There is nothing in your post except yet more evidence of the Christian Cult of Ignorance and Deceit taking pieces parts out of context like Carny Barkers.
I believe you are a Christian but it is obvious that you are totally clueless about what message is given in all of the various Bibles. Typical and pitiful. You are just a Goat!My Website: My Website
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