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kendemyer Inactive Member |
PROPHECY: THE BIBLE HAS NO EQUALS
Foretelling the future was not the sole domain of the Jewish prophets. The Old Testament prophets instructed the Jews regarding doctrine and moral matters. Many times they were not well received due to people not wanting to turn from their error. In addition to this, they warned of future judgement or provided assurance to the Jewish people that God would take care of them. In this latter regard, foretelling the future played a part. Sometimes people listened to the prophets and judgement was avoided. Sometimes they did not and judgement came according to what the prophets foretold. The law said if a prophet spoke words that were not doctrinally correct (worship another God) or if their prophecies did not come true they were put to death. Many people are unaware that no book or person has ever remotely compared to the Bible in terms of foretelling the future in terms of specificity, numbers of prophecies, or accuracy of prophecy. We will take a look at non-Bible pyschics and mediums first and then show the amazing accuracy of Bible prophets (a true prophet is correct 100% of the time). BIBLE PROPHETS VERSUS NON-BIBLE MEDIUMS/PSYCHICS Brookside Church in Ohio states the following regarding the Bible's laws regarding prophets and the accuracy of modern day psychics as reported by a recent study: "A true prophet is correct 100% of the time. A test of a prophet was whether they prophesied an event that did not come to pass. Prophets whose predictions failed to come to pass were stoned [It should be said that some prophecies were conditional. For example, if a certain people did not repent then they would suffer judgement.] Some prophecies w. People would think twice before revealing any kind of prophecy. Yet the Bible contains more prophecy about Jesus than any other book on any other founder of ancient religion. Today there are people who claim to have psychic power. In 1975, The People's Almanac did a study of 25 of the best psychics. Out of 72 predictions, 66 (92%) were totally wrong. The remaining 8% could be explained away." Taken from the following website: http://www.brooksidechurch.com/etw/jc7.htm Norman Geisler on Nostradomus:
http://www.johnankerberg.org/Articles/theo...ry/TD1001W4.htm An Article that discusses Jeanne Dixon and Nostradomus:
http://www.inplainsite.org/html/nostradamu...ward__vanp.html GENERAL ARTICLE: PROPHECY AS A DEFENSE OF THE BIBLE
http://www.equip.org/free/DA151.htm TYRE AND JERUSALEM IN PROPHECY
http://custance.org/old/hidden/3ch3.html SOME PROPHECIES OF THE BIBLE
http://www.100prophecies.org/default.htm http://www.christadelphian.org.uk/booklets/bprop1.html MESSIANIC PROPHECY FULFILLED IN JESUS [This message has been edited by kendemyer, 03-02-2004]
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kendemyer Inactive Member |
I know that there are specialist in Bible prophecy. I have read more than some but I do not pretend to be a specialist in this area. I recommend the following resources though:
ANSWERS TO BIBLE QUESTIONS. USER FRIENDLY RESOURCES. Bible Query - Answers to Bible questions (look up by verse) http://www.tektonics.org/index2.html (extremely well organized ) A Christian Thinktank (allows lookup by topic or keywords ) Bible Search and Study Tools - Blue Letter Bible (excellent free commentaries) Here are many online commentaries: BibleGateway.com: A searchable online Bible in over 150 versions and 50 languages.: Eword Sincerely, Ken [This message has been edited by kendemyer, 03-02-2004]
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kendemyer Inactive Member |
To: ALL
The Bible clearly says that if a people repents that judgement is not brought down on a people. Nineveh repented. Please see: [At what] instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy [it]; If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them. And [at what] instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant [it]; If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them. (Jeremiah 18:7-10) A quick note: one of the Hebrew words can either be translated calamity or evil I also offer this commentary: "Then the word of the Lord comes to Jonah again, "Arise, go unto Nineveh, that great city, and preach unto it the preaching that I bid thee." (Jonah 3:2). Jonah then proclaims to Nineveh, "Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown." (Jonah 3:4) Was this prophecy fulfilled? Did it come to pass by forty days that Nineveh was overthrown? If not, was Jonah a false prophet? In Strongs’s Concordance, the Hebrew word for overthrown is Haphak. It means to turn about or over. By implication to change, overturn, return, pervert: become, change, come, be converted. It also means to turn again, turn aside, turn back. Did Nineveh turn about or over? Was it converted?" taken from: http://www.faithfellowshipchurch.com/Jonah2.html The new city of Tyre is not built on the old but a little ways down. It also says fiserman will cast their nets on the bare rock. There is a fishing village but no rebuilt city. The Tyre prophecy is a fortress. If you have any other questions, please refer to the resources I gave. Sincerely, Ken
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kendemyer Inactive Member |
To: 1.61803
"Ken is it at all possible that the New Testament prophesy borrowed from the Old Testament in order to make the New Testament prohesy sound like they are being fulfilled?" If you have not read much on the prophecy regarding the requirements that the Jewish Messiah would have to fulfill, I would suggest you read more on this matter and perhaps your opinion will change. Lastly, I offfer you this link's commentary although I do not agree with 100% of what is said: 3: Belief and Action: Criteria for Responsible Decision « Living up to The Truth « Ohr Somayach Sincerely, Ken [This message has been edited by kendemyer, 03-03-2004]
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kendemyer Inactive Member |
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kendemyer Inactive Member |
Dear Buzzsaw:
Do not let him get away with his LXX argument. The LXX has its place and sometimes can shed light on the Massoretic text but it is a inferior document with more textual errors than the Massoretic text. Plus we must remember that the Massoretic text is closer in source to the original autograph that was written. Keep up the good work. You are doing great. Sincerely, Ken
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kendemyer Inactive Member |
To Amlodhi:
I did not think you would like my LXX comment. Nevertheless, it is true. Sincerely, Ken [This message has been edited by kendemyer, 03-14-2004]
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kendemyer Inactive Member |
I have read from many different sources that the septuagint(LXX) has many more variants than the Massoretic text (MT). I think both sides of the skeptic/Christian aisle could agree with this. Therofore, one could argue that the LXX may be more unreliable as far as proving various points in regards to the Bible.
I did, however, wish to make a correction. I do not believe there is any real evidence that shows the MT was closer to the original text than the LXX. I read in the New Evidence that Demands a Verdict by Josh McDowell in the section regarding the Divine Names used in the Torah that there is no real proof that the MT is closer than the LXX to the original text. If anyone wishes to comment on this please feel free. I do not pretend to be an expert in regards to the LXX. Here is some information in regards to the MT: The Massorites were absolutely devoted about keeping the Old Testament free of variants in the text (they had rigorous methodologies for keeping the text as free as variants as humanly possible). Here is a brief overview of the Massorites and the text they produced from another website: "The MASORETES (Hebrew Masorah, meaning "to deliver somethingin to the hands of another") safeguarded the text from about A.D. 500 to A.D. 916. These dedicated scholars based in Tiberias produced the Masoretic texts used today; they are the basis for our English OT of 1611. "The Masorah is called 'a fence to the scriptures' because it locked all words and letters in their places. It records the number of times the several letters occur in the Bible; the number of words and the middle word; the number of verses and the middle verse, etc., for the set purpose of preventing the loss or misplacement of a single letter or word" (Bullinger, Companion Bible, Appendix 30). Designating the middle letter of the Pentateuch and themiddle letter and verse of each book as well as the entire OT was not enough for these technicians. Phrases were counted, enumerated, distinguished. "House of Israel" was computed separately from "sons of Israel" and the number of times each occurred was well noted. The expression "sins of Jeroboam" is noted separately from "the sins of Jeroboam, the son of Nebat." thus the Jewish zeal for God was turned to good use (Romans 10:2)." (taken from: http://www.keithhunt.com/Bible6.html ) OLD TESTAMENT HEBREW TEXT RELIABILITY Please read this very important link regarding the Dead Sea Scrolls (If you do not read this link you will lnot understand the following material: http://www.apologeticsinfo.org/papers/trus...ofthebible.html ALSO CONSIDER THIS INFORMATION: Another website provides the following information: "Let JOSEPHUS, a Jewish historian of the first century, answer: ' From Artaxerxes (Malachi's time) until our time everythinghas been recorded but has not been deemed worthy of like credit with what has preceded, because the exact succession of prophets ceased. But what faith we have placed in our own writings is evident by our conduct; FOR though so long a time has now passed, NO ONE HAS DARED TO ADD ANYTHING TO THEM, OR ALTER ANYTHING IN THEM' (Contra Apion, Whiston's Josephus, p.609). Often overlooked is that the law, prophets, and writings,which were accepted by Jesus (Luke 24:44), formed the BASIS FOR THE LEGAL PRACTICES of the Jewish nation. These religious writings had NATIONAL IMPACT equal to Britain's Magna Carta...or America's Plymouth Rock Covenant and Declaration of Independence....Animosity was, paradoxically, a powerful force in PRESERVING the unimpeachability of Scripture. The appeal to the text was the common arbiter in theological debate (Matt.19:7). The Scriptures were known at the grass-roots level as well (Luke 4:16-20). UNOFFICIAL DELETIONS, INSERTIONS OR CORRUPTIONS would have triggered an OUTCRY among the faithful in a nation ZEALOUS FOR THE LAW (Acts 22:3). TAMPER with the OFFICIAL Hebrew text? One may as wellconsider EDITING the Declaration of Independence, DELETING a sentence in a NEW copy of the Gettysburg Address......VITAL literary production of NATIONAL SIGNIFICANCE are too WELL KNOWN to be PRIVATELY tampered with among the faithful. There were, of course, enemies who tried to do so - and still do! Today thousands of people have committed the TENCOMMANDMENTS TO MEMORY. Imagine the PROTEST if a NEW Bible translation INSERTED AN EXTRA commandment!....... The Thread of Conveyance Scripture itself speaks of a systematic, ORGANIZEDPRESERVATION of the law, prophets and writings. Moses entrusted the law to the Levites guarding the ark,center-piece of Israel's religion (Deut.31:24-26). Joshua 1:8 comments upon "this book of the law" that Moses' successor read to the entire nation (Josh.8:32-35). Literate, proficient scholars functioned even through thechaotic Judges period (Judg.5:14, 1 Sam.1:3,9). Under Samuel and David and Solomon, during Israel's Golden Age, inspired writers laid the basis for the historical narratives in Samuel, Kings and Chronicles. David revered the sacred writings (Ps.119:97), and he and Solomon contributed and collected many psalms and proverbs." (see this page for details: http://www.keithhunt.com/Bible6.html )
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