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Dredge
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Message 1261 of 1429 (903419)
12-10-2022 9:31 AM
Reply to: Message 1150 by Theodoric
11-25-2022 10:59 AM


Re: UCD evidence
Theodorkic writes:
Why  would a scientific paper say such a thing?
Exactly! Why would a scientific paper say Covid vaccines work bcoz of UCD?
It's physical realities that make vaccines work, not an idiotic story about how humans and potatoes evolved from the same organism.

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Dredge
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Message 1262 of 1429 (903420)
12-10-2022 9:31 AM
Reply to: Message 1151 by Theodoric
11-25-2022 11:00 AM


Re: Evidence be damned
What?

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Dredge
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Message 1263 of 1429 (903421)
12-10-2022 9:33 AM
Reply to: Message 1152 by ringo
11-25-2022 11:22 AM


Re: UCD evidence
This is a joke, right? No one could be this dumb.

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Theodoric
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Message 1264 of 1429 (903422)
12-10-2022 9:51 AM
Reply to: Message 1261 by Dredge
12-10-2022 9:31 AM


Re: UCD evidence
Nice deflection. Your dishonesty knows no bounds. Why do you think a scientific paper on COVID vaccines should mention UCD? Use actually coherent words and an attempt at a rational argument please.
Do you expect papers on stellar formation to include a defense of gravity?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 1265 of 1429 (903423)
12-10-2022 9:52 AM
Reply to: Message 1262 by Dredge
12-10-2022 9:31 AM


Re: Evidence be damned
All of you claims come down to God did it.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 1266 of 1429 (903424)
12-10-2022 9:53 AM
Reply to: Message 1263 by Dredge
12-10-2022 9:33 AM


Re: UCD evidence
Yet you are.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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ringo
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Message 1267 of 1429 (903448)
12-10-2022 12:04 PM
Reply to: Message 1263 by Dredge
12-10-2022 9:33 AM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
This is a joke, right? No one could be this dumb.
Explain what is funny and/or dumb about what I said.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Dredge
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Message 1268 of 1429 (903471)
12-10-2022 11:37 PM
Reply to: Message 1267 by ringo
12-10-2022 12:04 PM


Re: UCD evidence
ringoat writes:
Explain what is funny and/or dumb about what I said.
You think me asking for a practical use for UCD in medical science or applied biology is the same as asking for evidence of UCD itself Message 1152.
That's dumb ... they're nothing like the same thing.

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ringo
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Message 1269 of 1429 (903479)
12-11-2022 1:11 PM
Reply to: Message 1268 by Dredge
12-10-2022 11:37 PM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
You think me asking for a practical use for UCD in medical science or applied biology is the same as asking for evidence of UCD itself.
Of course it is. How are they different?

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Dredge
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Message 1270 of 1429 (903491)
12-11-2022 8:00 PM
Reply to: Message 1269 by ringo
12-11-2022 1:11 PM


Re: UCD evidence
WTF??? I'm beginning to understand why you flunked Elementary school ...

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xongsmith
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Message 1271 of 1429 (903492)
12-12-2022 12:39 AM
Reply to: Message 1270 by Dredge
12-11-2022 8:00 PM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredgings:
well,
WTF??? I'm beginning to understand why I flunked Elementary school ...
fixed it for you. no need to thank me.

"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."
Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

- xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale


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Dredge
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From: Australia
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Message 1272 of 1429 (903506)
12-12-2022 9:48 AM
Reply to: Message 1158 by dwise1
11-26-2022 12:39 AM


Re: UCD evidence
dwise1 writes:
The only time that one should need to go through all the proofs of mathematics is when you are learning mathematics.
If I had to prove that a negative number multiplied by a negative number equals a positive number, for example, I wouldn't even know where to start.
The fact of common ancestry of species and the resultant relationships between species because of that has already been established.
Thank you for this excellent example of mendacious Darwinist propaganda.
It is a LIE to say that UCD has been "established" as a "fact". UCD is merely a theory, and it will never be anything more than a theory.
That's why only a fool would trust what Darwinoids say ... they lie all the time.
No further research is needed -- except for exploring certain specific relationships, but that would not be done within the field of medical research. We already know that, so we can just simply use it.
What advancement in the treatment of disease has resulted from the "use" of the theory of UCD?
That means that the lack of explicit reinventing the wheel of common descent of species in medical research papers is they have more important things to do
Ya got that right! UCD has no practical use in medical science, so only an idiot or a delusional Darwinoid would waste time on it.
in that paper than to spend many of pages (hundreds, even, to do a complete job of it) to rederiving something that we already know.
... except the only thing you "know" about UCD is that it's a theory.
However, if one could do scientific research to try to refute common ancestry. Or to show that it has no use in medical research. So why hasn't that been done yet?
That was AZPaul3's question to you.
That question is none of my business. My question is different: I want to know if the theory of UCD has provided a practical advancement in medical science or applied biology ... I haven't encountered one yet.
(Note: Delusional research hypotheses based on UCD don't count as practical advancements ... in anything.)
 

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Theodoric
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Message 1273 of 1429 (903510)
12-12-2022 10:40 AM
Reply to: Message 1272 by Dredge
12-12-2022 9:48 AM


Re: UCD evidence
I love how the ignorant rubes come here spouting crap about subjects that they do not even grasp the basics of.
UCD is merely a theory, and it will never be anything more than a theory.
Theories are based upon factual evidence. Extensive factual evidence.
Hypothesis, theory, law - Google Docs
quote:
Theory: A theory is what one or more hypotheses become once they have been verified and accepted to be true. A theory is an explanation of a set of related observations or events based upon tested hypotheses and verified multiple times by detached groups of researchers.
Theories do not grow up to be laws. They are distinctly different things but are both based upon verifiable evidence.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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xongsmith
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Message 1274 of 1429 (903513)
12-12-2022 11:01 AM
Reply to: Message 1272 by Dredge
12-12-2022 9:48 AM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredgings:
If I had to prove that a negative number multiplied by a negative number equals a positive number, for example, I wouldn't even know where to start.
let me help. the -1 should be considered an Operator, as in (-1)* 6 = -6. the operator Reverses the sign of its operand:
(-1)*6 -> reverse the sign of 6 -> -6
so then when you have (-6)*(-7), you write it (-1)*6 times (-1)*7, then arrange it (-1)*(-1)*6*7. then you have (-1)*(-1)*42 = (-1)*(-42).
but the (-1) is an Operator that reverses the sign of what its operating on. so what is the reverse sign of -42?
it is simple, it's +42.
It is a LIE to say that UCD has been "established" as a "fact".
I don't see where dwise1 claims it is a fact. it's just that millions of attempts to disprove it have failed, so the scientific Theory of Evolution has stood the test of time. scientific Theories are not claimed to be facts, just the best explanation we currently have for the facts.
I'll ignore for now your Trumpian, childish insulting term "Darwinoid":
That's why only a fool would trust what Darwinoids say ... they lie all the time.
this is a dishonest claim. cite one instance of a lie that is in the current Theory of Evolution.
My question is different: I want to know if the theory of UCD has provided a practical advancement in medical science or applied biology ... I haven't encountered one yet.
you are still not seeing the rocket engine in the crew cabin of Apollo 11 because you think it would need to be in the cabin.
the TRVTH is that every single advancement in medical science or applied biology uses the established concept of UCD.
open your eyes. apparently you need to go back to elementary school and PAY ATTENTION!
you are embarrassing yourself as a representative of the human species and should stop until you have learned better.

"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."
Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

- xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale


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ringo
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Message 1275 of 1429 (903514)
12-12-2022 11:01 AM
Reply to: Message 1270 by Dredge
12-11-2022 8:00 PM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
I'm beginning to understand why you flunked Elementary school ...
As usual, you understand nothing. And you lie about things you can not possibly know.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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