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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
steelspring1 writes: I agree, steelspring1. Think about God, the serpant, and the human mind. Even if the Garden of Eden story is a metaphor or a parable, the premise still stands. God created. The serpent affected.
To affect something is different than to create or produce.
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steelspring1 Inactive Member |
Phatboy , do you think that Adam & Eve represent the humanity, or just a part of it (a race , a particular people)?
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I think that if there is anything about a human being that is unique apart from being a mere highly evolved animal then I think that at some point in our past, we became intellectual enough to talk with God. To comprehend God. To commune with God. It was at this point that God allowed humanity a free will. Adam and Eve, whether actual people or archtypes of the first cognizant humans had the first chance to obey or disobey God. They disobeyed, and it was not as if it surprised God that they did. I believe that it is all part of a bigger plan and that we as humans are a part of it. We still have an active choice in the outcome of this plan in each of our lives. As the scripture says,
Heb 3:7-9=So, as the Holy Spirit says:
In the desert, the people resisted change. They resisted growth. They resisted obedience. I believe that today, we have a choice to do something different!
"Today, if you hear his voice,do not harden your hearts as you did in the rebellion, during the time of testing in the desert, where your fathers tested and tried me and for forty years saw what I did.
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
OK, you are having a difficult time staying on topic.
This is a topic about race, and if they exist. The most imortant of my questions asked you to list for us all of the different races of the world and what physical, (but most importantly)mental and spiritual aspects are characteristic of each race on the list.
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Actually, I think what happened first was that we became intellectual enough to wonder where stuff comes from, where it goes, and to start to attempt to make sense of the confusing world around us. This would include trying to deal with the unique, human condition among all animals of knowing ahead of time that we are going to die, and fearing the unknown. I think that the drive to "figure stuff out", combined with the fear and confusion inspired by a difficult struggle for existence, and particularly of not knowing what happens when we die, led us to invent supernatural entities. Basically belief in the supernatural is a comfort to most people; "there is a God who loves me and a heaven to go to when I die." Religion is a form of community and also a way of imposing social control, which is another reason it would have proliferated evolutionarily. Groups are more powerful and safer than individuals. Anyway, I'm off topic here, but this is my response.
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Gaius Caligula Inactive Member |
quote: Does 'culture' exist? Yes or no?
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Gaius Caligula Inactive Member |
quote: Hey, you might want to hold on a minute. Just what is 'height' after all? Where does short become tall and tall become short? Is 'height' a scientific concept? Let me guess. Its a 'social construct' right. Wait, now that I think about it, 'height' does not even exist!
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1495 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Does 'culture' exist? Yes or no? Of course it does. Culture is garbage - it's the effluvium of communities eating, sleeping, screwing, and crapping in proximity. Anytime you put two humans in the same room you'll get culture. Making culture is what humans do.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1495 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Just what is 'height' after all? It's the distance in inches or centimeters between the bottom of your feet and the top of your head. It's easily measured via rulers, tapes, trigonometry (if you're really desparate), or an extremely sensitive barometer. What units and devices would you use to measure "blackness"? [This message has been edited by crashfrog, 03-05-2004]
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Gaius Caligula Inactive Member |
quote: Tell me at what precise point one 'culture' becomes another. What objective 'cultural' trait do all members of a given culture share that excludes all others? While you are at it, tell me where 'hot' becomes 'cold' and the 'past' becomes' the 'future'. I am not convinced that 'time' or 'temperature' exist.
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Gaius Caligula Inactive Member |
quote: 'Inches' and 'centimeters' do not exist naturally. There are human constructs, not objective natural divisions between categories. Inches and centimeters blend into one another.
quote: All these things are socially constructed measures and measurements.
quote: Where does 'yellow' become 'green' or 'red' become 'brown'? Does the visible spectrum exist?
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1495 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
What objective 'cultural' trait do all members of a given culture share that excludes all others? I don't understand where you're going with this question.
I am not convinced that 'time' or 'temperature' exist. "Cold" may be a subjective term but "zero degrees Celcius" is not. Clearly temperature exists. "One second" is an objective measurement (within the limits of relativity.) Clearly time exists. Explain to me how you would measure "blackness" or "asianness" and I'll grant you that race exists.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1495 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
'Inches' and 'centimeters' do not exist naturally. Sure they do. For instance a centimeter is a certain fraction of the distance light travels in one second. Anywhere in the universe I measure, a centimeter is the same length (within the limits of relativity.)
Where does 'yellow' become 'green' or 'red' become 'brown'? Does the visible spectrum exist? Since it's easily and objectively measured in angstroms or cycles per second, itmust be. Anybody who measures a certain wavelength of light will get the same measurement. On the other hand, nobody can even agree on how many races there are. Is Tiger Woods black? I say he's asian. What's the objective basis for race?
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Gaius Caligula Inactive Member |
quote: I would like you to tell me what objective 'cultural' traits that all Westerners share and all non-Westerners do not share. I am not convinced the 'West' exists. Does 'culture' even exist after all?
quote: There is no precise point where 'hot' becomes 'cold'. 'Hot' and 'cold' do not exist.
quote: I am not convinced. Temperature is a category that exists along a continuum. Different degrees of temperature blend into one another. Of course, by your bankrupt epistemology (and epistemology is what we are discussing here), categories that fall across continuums must have no objective validity. Where does the Indian Ocean become the Atlantic Ocean? Where does 'blue' become 'green'?
quote: There is no precise point where the past becomes the present and the present becomes the future. All measurements of time are simply human constructs that create artificial divisions along continuous categories.
quote: We are not discussing the existence of race here. We are discussing epistemology and the nature of categories.
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Gaius Caligula Inactive Member |
quote: No concept whatever exists naturally; outside of a human context.
quote: 'Seconds' are artificial divisions on time, as are centimeters.
quote: A 'centimeter' is a human construct to begin with. Where does 'yellow' become 'green' or 'red' become 'brown'? Does the visible spectrum exist?
quote: Once more, seconds are artificial divisions of time.
quote: Those 'measurements' were themselves constructed by humans.
quote: Restated: On the other hand, nobody can even agree on how many cultures there are. It must follow, therefore, that culture does not exist.
quote: What is the objective basis for conceptually dividing anything into a category?
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