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Author Topic:   Please explain this clear Bible error.
Terry
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Message 16 of 63 (92841)
03-16-2004 10:16 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by The Revenge of Reason
01-21-2004 8:39 AM


copyist mistake
The 36th year in is probably supposed to be the 26th year. The original would have been correct, but over hundreds of years of hand written coppies, a few mistakes were made. Expecially in Kings and Chronicles.

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Terry
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Message 18 of 63 (92893)
03-17-2004 7:30 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by truthlover
03-16-2004 11:02 PM


Re: copyist mistake
If the 35th year was really supposed to be the 25th year, that solves the rest of the problem and both account would then agree with each other. I am basing this assumption on the fact that 2 Chr 14:1 says that in the days of Asa the land had rest for 10 years, not 20.

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Terry
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Message 22 of 63 (92904)
03-17-2004 10:12 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by truthlover
03-17-2004 9:39 AM


Re: copyist mistake
http://www.apologeticspress.org/abdiscr/abdiscr01.html
{Copy and Paste of entire web page replaced with link by AdminTL --
Terry, the "copyright, 2002" that you cut and pasted into your message is put on the page to remind you that it is illegal to borrow someone's material in that way. It is also against forum rules. You can post a link, and then copy perhaps a couple paragraphs over and expand on them to make your point.
We want to hear your arguments, but large cut and paste jobs like that are illegal and they make you lose your audience, anyway. Pique our interest with quotes and an argument, and provide a link, and those who are convinced or even interested by your argument can follow the link to read the whole page.}
[This message has been edited by AdminTL, 03-17-2004]

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Terry
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Message 24 of 63 (92961)
03-17-2004 4:40 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by truthlover
03-17-2004 1:06 PM


Re: copyist mistake
Sorry about the large cut and past job...I did check with the site and it was ok with them as long as you copy the entire article.
I am a Bible believing Christian and believe that the Bible is inerrant, but there are a few minor discrepencies that have crept into the text over time. There does not exist a 100% copy of the original text. These minor problems do not take away from the message of God and salvation of man.
People want to point to a couple of problems with a number or the spelling of a name and throw out the entire Bible. When in reality, the objective reader of God's word must admit that it is a miricle that it is in as good of shape as it is. No other collection of books have ever stood the test of time that the Bible has been through.
All of the errors that I have ever seen are in the OT. As far as I know there are none in the NT because we have manuscirpts that date back to almost the time of the original writting.

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Terry
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Message 36 of 63 (94919)
03-26-2004 10:02 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by Cold Foreign Object
03-25-2004 10:54 PM


What are you going to do with 1John 5: 7,8 ?
What are you going to do with 1John 5: 7,8 ?
For there are three that testify: the Spirit, the water and the blood;
and the three are in agreement. NIV
I don't see a problem with these verses except possibly in another translation. You have to remember that the translations are not inspired only the originals.
You have no problem with me trying to gleen the truth through the errors that may have crept into the text.

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Terry
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Message 38 of 63 (94931)
03-26-2004 10:44 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by NosyNed
03-26-2004 10:27 AM


Re: Originals?
This is true. We have not uncovered the original autographs for the new testament. We do have copies and quotations from chruch fathers that date back almost to the originals. The best Greek documents we have say that the NIV translation given earlier for 1 john 5:7,8 is a good translation.

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Terry
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Message 40 of 63 (95012)
03-26-2004 5:36 PM
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03-26-2004 3:55 PM


Re: What are you going to do with 1John 5: 7,8 ?
I never claimed that the KJV was inerrant. They obviously added several words to this verse for no good reason. Newer translations like the NIV did not do that in this case anyway. The best greek texts do not support the added words in the KJV

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Terry
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Message 44 of 63 (95073)
03-27-2004 2:15 AM
Reply to: Message 42 by ConsequentAtheist
03-26-2004 8:29 PM


Re: What are you going to do with 1John 5: 7,8 ?
ConsequentAtheist asks:
"Two points:
1. What originals, specifically?
2. Was Timothy inspired, and how do you know?"
1. The Textus Receptus (TR), Which the KJV is based is a collection of late manuscripts written after the 10th century that has several mistakes compaired with older manuscripts found after 1611 when the KJV was originally published. The originals that I spoke of were the originals written by the inspired apostle John in the first century around AD 90. Since we don't have this today, we have to go back to the oldest manuscripts, which are copies of John's letter. These predate the TR by hundredes of years to the second and third centuries.
2. I'm not sure I understand your question about Timothy. He did not write any of the books of the Bible and is probably not inspired. However, 1 Timothy and 2 Timothy were written by the apostle Paul and he was inspired. 2 Peter 3:15,16 refer to Paul's writings as scriptures.

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