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Author | Topic: design evidence #320,098,754: the crossover food and air tubes in humans | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
OK, we really have you this time!
The crossover design of the human air and food tubes is obvious evidence for Design by a loving Creator! I mean, who but a loving Creator could have thought that making the tube that we breathe through and the tube by that we ingest food CROSS, with a common opening that is only separated by a flap in the backs of our throats?! Sure, this flap gets into the wrong place fairly frequently, and sure, humans get food and water into our lungs pretty often, but the beauty and perfection of the Design resides in how often it DOESN'T happen! Only a few thousand people each year end up choking to death, and that is also part of the Creator's divine plan. Anybody who denies the obvious INTELLIGENT Design of this structure is just blind.
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Arachnid Inactive Member |
For someone who doesn't believe in God, you sure are hateful towards Him.
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5224 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
Schraf,
Could I add, mammals giving birth through the pelvis, down a canal that splits & bleeds, from a system that allows humans to not be in the correct "birthing position" after 9 months (unbelievable I know)... That can result in the death of both parties, & was, & still is, globally speaking, the primary cause of death in young women. Speaking as a bloke, I'd be pretty pissed at God, the allegedly omnibenevolent git that allowed such a thing to occur to my partner & child. Fantastic. Thank God for "intelligent" design. Allelujah! I'm sure there's some untestable & therefore irrelevant just-so story creationists counter this sort of hideous suffering that God created? Of course, that ol' moany bag next door suffered a 36 hour labour, so it's not all bad. Mark ------------------Occam's razor is not for shaving with. [This message has been edited by mark24, 02-06-2003]
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
My beef isn't with God, it's with the moronic arguments of the Intelligent Design crowd.
I take it that this ad hominem attack indicates that you have no substantive counter to this obvious lack of intelligent design in humans?
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DanskerMan Inactive Member |
Schraf, very good very good!! yet ANOTHER example of GOOD design....good? yes indeed! Let's have a look shall we:
quote: I didn't know you had converted.... ------------------"You can no more alter God than a pebble can alter the rhythm of the Pacific."
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Quetzal Member (Idle past 5901 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
Nope - you're wrong schraf. The absolute, most perfect, bestest proof of the great Interior Designer of All Life is Rheodytes leukops, the Australian river turtle. Here we have a critter whose cloaca (its butt, for all you comparative-physiology-challenged people out there) not ONLY provides a tube for egg laying, feces and urine elimination, but ALSO, being lined with papillae (like lungs), and fitted with a slight adaptation of the normal "push" musculature, allows the critter to obtain 69% (mean 45%) of its oxygen by pumping water in and out of its anus. What better, more efficient design could you possibly imagine?
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lpetrich Inactive Member |
Sea cucumbers also practice anal respiration; they have similar sets of pouches coming out from their hindguts into their bodies.
[This message has been edited by lpetrich, 02-07-2003]
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lpetrich Inactive Member |
Actually, a simple way to construct a choke-resistant respiratory tract is as follows:
Have the trachea be behind the esophagus instead of in front of it, with the bronchi encircling the esophagus. The trachea can then open into the top rear of the mouth, conveniently away from the food path.
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David unfamous Inactive Member |
sonnike,
I was waiting for that piffle to be trawled up by you. The fallacy of such an argument is that the 'design' is being altered independantly of the complete system. Ferrari don't take Lada's and shoe-horn a new engine in, they design a new car from the base up. So, if I were a supreme being with infinite wisdom and power, I would create humans that don't need to eat or breath. But how is that possible you ask? Well I created physics, chemistry, the laws of the universe etc., so in my re-designed reality I can do what I want. I'd also prevent hair-loss if I decide to put hair on any part of my new humans. And I'd separate sexual organs from urinary tracts. In fact, waste products are nasty, so I'll scratch that concept for a start. Blood and guts? Nah, not in my human. Too messy. All they need is the air they breathe. Of course, my nu-mans will still have emotions, all the senses, and still look the same (just so you don't think they'll look ugly). But because we don't need food, we don't need land, so we don't need wealth or have to do hard work. We socialise, and philosophise and love and make love in a clean, yet absolutely satisfying way. Man, this designing is easy when you're absolutely all-powerful. God sure did mess up big time.
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DanskerMan Inactive Member |
quote:Don't worry, you will have the opportunity to tell that to His face.... ------------------"You can no more alter God than a pebble can alter the rhythm of the Pacific."
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Chavalon Inactive Member |
Sonnike, in case you would like to offer a substantive defense of the argument you cut-n-pasted, it’s worth pointing out that Schraf’s opening post refers specifically to humans - in fact to humans older than 6 months. Non human animals () and babies have their larynx high in their throats, so that food does not slide over it during swallowing. Thus, they never choke on food.
The larynx moves down the throat between the ages of 3 and 6 months, leaving a small resonating chamber above it. This is used to make the noises of speech. An intelligent designer need only have given us a separate resonating chamber through which food does not pass (a trivial energetic cost compared with the benefit of speech), and adult humans wouldn’t choke, either. In fact this is a very good example of the way in which animals are constructed - with ad hoc changes to existing organs, rather than the introduction of wholly novel but more perfected structures. That’s how we can tell that ID is wrong. [This message has been edited by Chavalon, 02-07-2003]
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 763 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
I'll bet it was apple poisoning in the Garden of Eden that made that windpipe slide around......
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peter borger Member (Idle past 7694 days) Posts: 965 From: australia Joined: |
There is a famous German expression for your observation: In der Beschrankung zeigt sich der Meister.
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lpetrich Inactive Member |
???
And non-intersecting respiratory and digestive pathways are not an absolute impossibility; cetaceans have them. So if a dolphin can swallow and breathe at the same time, why can't we?
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Peter Member (Idle past 1508 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
quote: So are you saying that it is, in fact, a well designed featureor that God cannot take criticism?
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