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Marriage is a civil right in the US

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ringo
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Message 16 of 304 (317281)
06-03-2006 5:18 PM 		Reply to: Message 15 by Faith
06-03-2006 5:09 PM

"If they had known that idiots were going to come along in a few decades and claim that blacks and women were meant to be included in something intended always and forever for white males, they would have changed the wording, but such idiocies never occurred to anyone prior to very recent times."
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06-03-2006 5:40 PM 		Reply to: Message 18 by Faith
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Faith writes:
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Always and forever refers to the entire world over all history.
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That applies to your statement just as it applies to mine.
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06-04-2006 3:01 AM 		Reply to: Message 34 by Faith
06-04-2006 2:58 AM

Re: Two things, Miss Faith, if you please.
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The idea of marriage is what will be destroyed if you allow people who are unqualified for it to have it.
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Where do you get this idea about "qualifications" for marriage?
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06-04-2006 3:10 AM 		Reply to: Message 38 by Faith
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Re: Two things, Miss Faith, if you please.
I didn't ask you who is qualified and who is not. I asked you where you get the idea that there are qualifications (since you claim your source is not religious).
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06-04-2006 11:31 PM 		Reply to: Message 119 by Rob
06-04-2006 11:00 PM

Rob writes:
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I argue for thought, because I presuppose that we can make sense if we dare to try.
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It ain't workin', so far.
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Think short, coherent posts. All the pseudo-intellectual blather just puts people to sleep.
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... it is not so much whether we can logically deny them rights. Rather, the question is, can we logically give them rights?
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Rights are not "given" any more than arms and legs are "given". Citizens have civil rights, because they are citizens - just as they have arms and legs. You can take away what they inherently have, but you can not "give" them what they inherently have.
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