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Author Topic:   Developing Countries: Birth Control?
Sour
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Message 36 of 99 (368902)
12-10-2006 10:38 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Jon
12-08-2006 11:44 PM


Ignorance, society and physical circumstances can at least partly justify persistent and malicious reproduction in developing countries. What's the excuse for us in the developed world?
It is their choice, and they can exercise the right if they wish.
Yes they can. If the result of that choice is a child suffering for it's entire brief life through entirely avoidable circumstances, those who place more value on life need to do something about it.
~10 million children die from malnutrition each year. Creating a new consciousness in this world is perhaps the act that demands the most responsibility. In the civilised world we seem to regard it as a right. People have children for personal gratification, that seems pretty disgusting to me.
Adoption is an answer, I can't justify procreating when I can take an existing child and remove it from a tooth and claw existence and provide an education.
Those who think it's purely about passing on your genes have either taken darwinism too personally or are simply selfish b*stards.

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Sour
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Message 37 of 99 (368904)
12-10-2006 10:46 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Hyroglyphx
12-09-2006 10:55 PM


Re: It takes two to tango
They could do what the evil, tyrannical US did and cancel all the debt from Africa as a gesture of good faith.
Yes, debt relief is essential.
Do you mean the G8's 100% relief to the 18 poorest nations 3 of which are in Central and South American?

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Sour
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Message 38 of 99 (368905)
12-10-2006 10:50 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Jon
12-10-2006 2:55 PM


I don't know who you are talking about here, but either way you are suggesting that someone give up their right (or not use it) in order to "fix" the problem. Disgusting really.
Even if Gasby was referring to people in general, what's disgusting about it? Moderating harmful behaviour is a good idea isn't it? What is wrong with suggesting that people think beyond themselves?

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Sour
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Message 96 of 99 (369688)
12-14-2006 1:25 AM
Reply to: Message 91 by Jon
12-14-2006 12:16 AM


Re: Fresh Start
1) world population
2) strain a developed individual puts on the world vs. that of an undeveloped individual
3) rights of any human to willfully reproduce
4) consequences of uninhibited reproduction as seen by the developed world
5) consequences of uninhibited reproduction as seen by the individuals reproducing
6) consequences of not reproducing (or reproducing little) as seen by the developed world
7) consequences of not reproducing (or reproducing little) as seen by the individuals reproducing
1) Too big.
2) Ok, it depends on the individual in either case. A stereotypical Westerner might be a pointless consumer. They might also be a visionary in any field you choose to name. The latter has more value per unit of strain i'm afraid, pragmatically, than the former.
3) Rights are subjective.
4) I don't think it's about how its seen by the developed world, it's about the future of the species. Not my children, or my cousins children, but the looooong term survival. Most species become extinct. I do accept the percieved survival requirements of the individual, but it is not enough to outweigh the consequences.
5) Depends on the individual. I have the priviledge of living in the city in the UK with the highest proportion of teenage pregnancies. It's a small city, and I can tell you that most pregnant teenagers in this city are ignorant. They breed for benefit, the more children the more money they recieve. This seems mildly analogous to the scenario in the developing world. My friends are reluctant to reproduce because of the world they will be bringing a new consciousness into.
6 and 7 seem to be the other end of 4 and 5.
I hope it is clear that I feel that wanton reproduction is wrong all round.

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