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nator
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Message 16 of 165 (46738)
07-21-2003 4:29 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Peter
07-21-2003 12:20 PM


I seem to recall that there was a big thing a few years back with some white people being denied the adoption of a black foster child they had cared for for several years as one of their own.
Why someone puts culture or physical appearence above love and responsibility is beyond my comprehension, particularly when we have enough trouble finding homes for all the rejected or orphaned children in the system.

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MrHambre
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Message 17 of 165 (46739)
07-21-2003 4:33 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by nator
07-21-2003 4:25 PM


quote:
Don't you know that lesbians are only having sex with each other while they wait for a man to show up and join them and show them how it's really done?
I must warn you all that if I continue to encounter such language on this website, my kids are likely to suspend my computer privileges.
"Generalssimo" Hambre
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Quien busca, halla

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nator
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From: Ann Arbor
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Message 18 of 165 (46741)
07-21-2003 4:36 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by MrHambre
07-21-2003 4:33 PM


LOL!
Men think they are the dirty minded ones...

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Message 19 of 165 (46743)
07-21-2003 4:56 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by nator
07-21-2003 4:36 PM


quote:
Men think they are the dirty minded ones...
Given the women I've hung out with in my life... trust me, I know my mind to be absolutely puritanical in comparison.

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nator
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From: Ann Arbor
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Message 20 of 165 (46787)
07-21-2003 10:01 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Dan Carroll
07-21-2003 4:56 PM


quote:
Given the women I've hung out with in my life... trust me, I know my mind to be absolutely puritanical in comparison.
Yup!
...and unlike men, we don't tend to fabricate stories a la "lockeroom bragging."
We share, and and we don't lie to impress; we like to share our troubles.

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Rrhain
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Message 21 of 165 (46815)
07-22-2003 3:53 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by funkmasterfreaky
07-20-2003 1:00 PM


Though this seems to be a drive-by posting (even though funk is a regular poster)....
quote:
However I must protest because I see the adoption of children into gay families as the logical next step. This bothers me immensly. I would have felt this way even if I was not a Christian.
So you're saying that it is better for a child to remain in foster care and be a ward of the state than to be adopted by a loving couple? Being raised by gay parents is worse than having no parents at all?
Is that what you're saying?
Methinks you've fallen for all the lies you've been told about what gay people are like. What could possibly be problematic with gay people raising children? Do you think the children will turn gay? Considering that the vast majority of gay people were raised by straight parents, I don't think being raised by straight parents is exactly a hedge against that. In fact, there is no difference in outcome comparing straight parents to gay parents with regard to the sexual orientation of their children.
But more importantly, why is that a problem? What is wrong with being gay? Why should parents be upset if their children turn out to be gay? Do you obsess about the color of your child's eyes or the texture of your child's hair? Would it be the end of the world if your child decided to be a scientist or an athlete or a actor? What if your child decided to become an author? Or convert to another religion? Suppose your child became a vegetarian or told you that your cooking stinks? Would that really be the end of the world?
So why the overreaction to your child's sexuality?
Do you think that gay people are going to sexually abuse the children? If so, let your heart be put at ease because it actually turns out that gay people are less likely to molest children than straight people.
Do you think that children raised in families headed by gay people will have more difficulty in adjusting to society? Again, there is no evidence for this. The children of gay parents are no more likely to get in trouble, have the same grade levels, are no more likely to do drugs or engage in premarital sex, etc., etc.
In short, there appears to be absolutely no difference between children in families headed by a straight couple and those in families headed by a gay couple.
I highly recommend reading the transcripts of the Hawaii case from a few years ago regarding same-sex marriage. One of the arguments put forward by the District Attorney to prevent marriage was the question of children. It turns out that the State's own witnesses couldn't come up with a single reason indicating children are worse off in gay households compared to straight households.
So one has to wonder: Why are you so upset over this? What could be the source of this visceral reaction of yours?
What are you afraid of?
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Peter
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Message 22 of 165 (46825)
07-22-2003 5:16 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by nator
07-21-2003 4:29 PM


Couldn't agree more!! I wasn't saying they were right to
do it, only that it happens by prescription (if you see
what I mean).
It's actually a racist policy in any case.

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derwood
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Message 23 of 165 (46900)
07-22-2003 12:51 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by crashfrog
07-21-2003 12:32 AM


quote:
quote:
but because our largely backward society is not ready for it, and will make the kid suffer because they "disapprove" of the parents.
I think that all depends where you live. In any case, don't you think that's a decision best left to the prospective parents?
Are we not to allow white folk to adopt Chinese babies because of the spectre of racism, either?
Of course it depends on where you live, I should have been clearer. I also didn't say it shouldn't be allowed, just that I have a problem with it. I know that I would not want to use children in some sort of social experiment, in the name of 'rights.'
As far as inter-racial adoptions being compared to this, I don't think it is a legitimate analogy. I don't think the white folks that adopt a chinese baby will have to worry about gangs of chinese harrassing and beating them up.

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John
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Message 24 of 165 (46937)
07-22-2003 7:16 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by derwood
07-22-2003 12:51 PM


quote:
As far as inter-racial adoptions being compared to this, I don't think it is a legitimate analogy. I don't think the white folks that adopt a chinese baby will have to worry about gangs of chinese harrassing and beating them up.
More likely that would be gangs of white supremacists whining about racial purity, and beating them up.
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Rrhain
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From: San Diego, CA, USA
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Message 25 of 165 (46972)
07-22-2003 10:39 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by derwood
07-22-2003 12:51 PM


SLPx writes:
quote:
I know that I would not want to use children in some sort of social experiment, in the name of 'rights.'
What makes you think the reason anybody wants to adopt a child is because of a "social experiment, in the name of 'rights'"? Are you seriously saying that gay people adopt children in order to make a political statement rather than because of their love?
What do you make of the people who adopt children from overseas? For example, there are many children in orphanages in foreign countries who are suffering from the horrible conditions there. Is it a bad thing for these Americans to adopt children of different ethnic backgrounds? Are they doing it for a political statement?
What are you afraid of? Why do you seem to be so determined to make gay people out to be the bad guy, completely evil in every thought and deed, incapable of having any compassion or any other redeeming feature?
What are you afraid of?
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Rrhain
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nator
Member (Idle past 2201 days)
Posts: 12961
From: Ann Arbor
Joined: 12-09-2001


Message 26 of 165 (47129)
07-23-2003 6:41 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Rrhain
07-22-2003 10:39 PM


quote:
Why do you seem to be so determined to make gay people out to be the bad guy, completely evil in every thought and deed, incapable of having any compassion or any other redeeming feature?
Um, where the heck did Scott say or even remotely imply anything close to the extreme viewpoint you just accused him of holding?
You invent things to rail against sometimes.

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crashfrog
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Message 27 of 165 (47130)
07-23-2003 6:44 PM


Where is FunkMasterFreaky? Isn't this his topic? I for one want to know what secular reasoning he has against gay marriage and adoption.
Was this just a drive-by troll?

  
Rrhain
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From: San Diego, CA, USA
Joined: 05-03-2003


Message 28 of 165 (47246)
07-24-2003 3:17 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by nator
07-23-2003 6:41 PM


[delete]
[This message has been edited by Rrhain, 07-24-2003]

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DC85
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Message 29 of 165 (47582)
07-27-2003 2:34 PM


I don't criticize but Personally I don't see how homosexuality is Possible your Brain can not be in the wrong type of Body. Because its not your brain that makes you feel that way its the chemicals in your body. how can a male possibly have Female ones if they are a male? (I know there are People with both parts but that irrelevant if you are one or the other). you don't see Homosexuality in other animals so why us?(we are animals and Love is only the word we use for attachment and a true love is the chosen mate I don't believe we have Feelings other animals don't) I am not downing it I just don't understand........

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Coragyps
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Message 30 of 165 (47587)
07-27-2003 3:16 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by DC85
07-27-2003 2:34 PM


you don't see Homosexuality in other animals so why us?
But we do - dozens of observed cases, in fruitflies, penguins, sheep, chimpanzees..... And genetic markers are associated with homosexuality in many cases.

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